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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2018, 09:37:17 PM »
Hello Cat,
There should be 3 WW1 medals for Albert, the 1914/15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal, which should be named to 2756 A Simpson on the edge or back.

The Queens South Africa and British War medals are silver, the 14/15 Star is Bronze, the Victory is copper with a bronze lacquer, best not to clean them but if you must, a silver cloth and something similar for the Star do not clean the Victory Medal or you will remove the lacquer, avoid using anything abrasive.

Alberts WW1 service record has also survived (I missed it yesterday). He rejoined the Manchesters on 25.08.1914 and was given the number 2756.

He enlisted into the 4th or 3rd Bn, the entries do not agree with each other. He was posted to the 1st Bn in France on 25.03.1915, to the 2nd Bn on 11.12.1915, to the Depot on 06.01.1918 and finally to the 3rd Bn on 26.02.1918. He was discharged from the 3rd Bn on 18.04.1918 as being no longer fit for war service suffering from Myalgia, he was awarded the Silver War Badge number 400853.

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2018, 09:59:57 PM »
I have the star with his number & name on the back. The Victory medal has his name, number and 'Manch. R' engraved around the edge. Th South Africa medal has something different: his name & number hen 'Vol Coy Manch Reg', it has Queen Victoria's head on it. Finally, I have a 1914 - 18 medal which is engraved around the edge with his name and number. None of them have ribbons, is this unusual and is it possible to have ribbons put back on them? Now that I have discovered them, I want them to be returned to a respectful state and the ribbons seem a good place to start if cleaning is a No No!

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2018, 10:54:54 PM »
hiya cat
alberts WW1 medals were the 1914-15 star,war medal and victory medal,he was also awarded a silver war badge[No400852]for discharged soldiers
he went to france on 25-3-1915 and joined the 1st battalion and on the 11th December 1915 he was posted to the 2nd battalion,he was invalided home on 6-1-1918 and discharged from the army as physically unfit on 18-4-18

pte 2756 albert simpson
18 ruby st,Hulme
wife mary,emma
died 1935
mary emma died 1933
they are buried togethor in southern cemetery manchester.section W.consecrated.grave 865

cat.
alberts south africa medal is made of silver,best thing to clean it with,is cigarette ash,one of his WW1 medals[war medal]is also made of silver.
i personally would leave them as they are,but its up to you cat.

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2018, 11:09:47 PM »
hiya cat.
I forgot,you can get replacement ribbons for the medals,there are quite a few medal dealers on the net who can supply these

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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2018, 09:00:06 AM »
Hi Mack,

Thanks you so much for the information and the advice re cleaning. I'm going to take your advice and leave them as they are as the last thing I want to do is damage them, I will source ribbons for them though as I'd like them to have those.

Sadly, I do not have his silver war badge, not sure why it wasn't with the rest but over time I guess it has become separated from the others and is now lost.

Thank you again for the information. It's helped to fill in lots of gaps and I appreciate your time and effort in helping.

Cat

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2018, 09:44:50 AM »
Cat
I have used these people for my fathers.
If you send the medals to anyone make sure they are well insured, they have a value. I used to live not far from them.
Get a quote from them first.
Someone here may be able to give you a better idea of their value than I can.
Cliff
PS: Forgot the link (old age). here it is: https://bigburymint.com/

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2018, 09:48:37 AM »
Thanks Cliff, I don't have any of his medals but have just found further medals for his father, Albert, 1914 - 1918 and a South Africa one with 5 bars. Can anyone tell me what these would be made from and what can I clean them with?

Have a look here re the Queens South Africa Medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_South_Africa_Medal
Cliff
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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2018, 03:16:25 PM »

 there are a small batch from Palestine, One says 'arrival of 1st Bn in Haifa, Palestine, 24 Feb 1936.


If you find he did serve in Palestine you may want to try to get hold of a copy of this book:
"One God Too Many Devils" by Arthur Lane I think it comes with a couple of different covers and ISBN numbers mine is: ISBN 1-872518-00-1 It covers the Battalion from Palestine through their time as POW's. You may be able to order a copy through your local library.
Cliff
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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2018, 08:22:13 PM »
I think I have found him in the India General Service Medal roll for the 2nd Bn as 3521920 Pte G Simpson

I think the medal ribbon is a GSM and not an IGS.


regards

Yes, the three equal stripes make it the GSM. If the rolls on Ancestry are complete there are only three G Simpsons who were entitled to the GSM pre-war all of whom were entitled to the Palestine bar. They served in the Black Watch, QORWK and Loyals. A Captain G Simpson Suffolk Regt was entitled to Palestine 45-48.

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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2018, 09:09:53 PM »
I have just found my Mum's birth certificate and my Grandfather's (George Simpson ) occupation is given a 'Private in the 1st btn of the Loyal Regiment? Is this part of the Manchester regiment?????

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2018, 08:22:39 AM »


If you find he did serve in Palestine you may want to try to get hold of a copy of this book:
"One God Too Many Devils" by Arthur Lane I think it comes with a couple of different covers and ISBN numbers mine is: ISBN 1-872518-00-1 It covers the Battalion from Palestine through their time as POW's. You may be able to order a copy through your local library.
Cliff

Thanks for this recommendation, I have ordered a copy via the web. The photo's of Palestine seem to be 1936/1937 era. Some are have information on the back.

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2018, 12:27:28 PM »
I have just found my Mum's birth certificate and my Grandfather's (George Simpson ) occupation is given a 'Private in the 1st btn of the Loyal Regiment? Is this part of the Manchester regiment?????

The Loyal Regiment (North Lancashire) was a different Regiment.

George Simpson was 2207112 with the Loyals, at the time he qualified for the GSM he was a Sgt. When the medal roll was submitted - 29.02.1940 - he was a Platoon Sergeant Major (WO3) at the Loyals Infantry Training Centre,  Fulwood Barracks, Preston.

The George Simpson serving with the 2nd Manchesters in Burma is recorded in the enlistment books at the Regimental Archive, the Archive kindly provided the following:

„3521920 George Simpson Attestation Details -Enlisted 29.1.27  for 7/5 years, Regular, Age 20 years 4 months Enlisted in Seaforth, Trade - Seaman Place of Birth Bootle, Liverpool,  Discharge Prisoner of War, Date of Discharge 1940“

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2018, 05:03:16 PM »
Thanks Charlie, so I have to ask the question, can we be wrong about the photograph then? Is he definitely in the uniform of the Manchester Regiment?

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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2018, 05:36:23 PM »
Cat,
There is absolutely no doubt that he is in the uniform of the Manchesters. There is nothing unusual about him being Commissioned into a different regiment to that which he had previously served with.

Charlie


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Re: Maternal Grandfather - George Simpson
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2018, 06:51:45 PM »
Thanks Charlie. :)

My sister and I are going to apply for his service record, I assume that will tell us when he changed regiments?