S.Quentin Trench Map. Edition 2A d/d 3.2.18

[PhilipG]

In square 4 a of the above a position is marked "The Cottage".  I think this location is also the site of the Enghien Redoubt, Fayet which was part of a line of redoubts in which Manchester Hill Redoubt featured.   Am I correct, please?  PhilipG.

[charlie]

Philip,
The map reference for the redoubt is S.3.d - 4.c, which is the diamond like trench line overlaping the two squares. I take this to be the „core“ of the redoubt and The Cottages to be within its outer perimeter.

Charlie

[PhilipG]

Charlie,

Many thanks.    I've found it.   I'm just doing a little research into the redoubts adjacent to the Manchester Hill Redoubt.  I've just located the Ellis Redoubt which was next in line to the 16th Manchesters.   The Ellis redoubt was in a valley east of Selency and north of the Roman Road.   The Worcesters report it as being a strong fortification.   PhilipG.

[PhilipG]

Following on, and in connection with the 17th Manchesters in action on the 21st/22nd March 1918 in the area of Pommery Chateau (Goodman Redoubt), I am looking to find (without success), the whereabouts of Roupy Trench.

Not having the relative sheet, I am also interested in the battalion's involvement in an action concerning a quarry near Savy at F.4.b.5.8.   I should be glad of any help in this regard.   PhilipG.

[charlie]

Philip,
A screen shot from map 66D NE which shows both the quarry at F.4.b.5.8 and Roupy Trench. The map reference for Goodman Redoubt is F.9.c.
A link to the complete map
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101465353

Charlie

[PhilipG]

Charlie,

Again thank you for your help.  The map brought back many memories of yesteryear whilst following in the footsteps of the 17th Manchesters.   I particularly remember visiting the cemetery at F.10.b...   It was on a very sharp bend on a narrow road, but I was attracted by the CWGC sign on the cemetery wall.   I felt sure there would be some 17th Manchesters buried there.   In the event there were none - just some Inniskillings kia in April 1917.      In that respect, I have in mind that there was once a burial ground in Roupy started by the Germans in which one would expect to have found 17th battalion casualties buried there.   But, if memory serves me right, the burial ground was lost in subsequent fighting in the area.     PhilipG.

[charlie]

I could be wide of the mark with this but are you thinking of the cemetery on the St Q - Roupy Road at L’Epine - de - Dallon where  many of the 17th Bn were buried by the Germans. Many graves were destroyed by shell fire and the graves that remained were concentrated to Savy British Cemetery. There is a memorial there to 68 men of the 17th Bn and 19th Kings Liverpools.

Perhaps Tim Bell can help as he has done a lot of work with the 17th Bn and concentration records.

Charlie

[charlie]

Sorry Philip I got my map and references all mixed up, I have amended my last post.
The map reference for L‘Epine should be 66c A.3.d.5.8. See attached.

Charlie

[PhilipG]

Charlie,

Yes, that must be the cemetery that I had in mind.  Thank you.  PhilipG.