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ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« on: August 12, 2016, 06:02:24 PM »
Good evening! I am Fabio Cogo, I am 16 years old, I live in Asiago Plateu (ITALY) where 100 years ago, during the ww1, manchester regiment's soldiers fought. I like go out in the mountains with my metal detector and find ww1 relics. 10-08-2015, one years ago i found this badges, two of my best pecies in my collection! can someone give me more informations about manchester regiment in asiago Plateu? thanks to all
Fabio

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2016, 07:03:42 PM »
Hi Fabio and welcome to the forum. What a interesting hobby you have (and a great understanding of the English language).

The 20th, 21st and 22nd Battalions of the Manchester Regiment served in Italy. They were all part of the 7th Division, which arrived in Italy in November 1917.

These battalions were all 'Pals' battalions. The term 'Pal' is slang meaning friend and was used because men who were friends, sports team members and co-workers were encouraged to join up and serve together. The 20th Battalion was know as the 5th City Pals, the 21st was the 6th City Pals and 22nd was the 7th City Pals. All three battalions had fought with distinction during the Battle of the Somme.

The 20th and 21st Battalions left Italy on 13th September 1918 and returned to the Western Front. The 22nd Battalion remained in Italy (west of Udine) until the end of the war.

Hope this helps.

Pete

Remembering

Pte Sidney Lee (36719), 2nd Battalion, Worcestershire Regt - dow 18.02.17
Sgt Charles Roberts (13668), 11th Bn, Manchester Regiment - kia 18.05.18
Bombardier John Hesford (70065), 147th Heavy Battery, RGA dow - 04.09.18
Pte Sidney Lee (4131324), 8th Bn, Cheshire Regiment -  kia 12.03.41

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2016, 08:35:17 AM »
thanks a lot!!!!  :) :) :) :)

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2016, 12:06:06 PM »
Woodfox,

                        Granezza British Cemetery - Asiago

Pete mentioned the 21st battalion of the Manchester Regiment. On the 15th June 1918, eight men of this battalion were killed in action and are buried in the above named cemetery.  They are :-

Privates : A.Etchells, William Andrew Knowles, Walter Proctor, F.Wilding, Robert Wolstenholme, W. Woodthorne and Lance Corporals Joseph Hartley and Alfred Jones.

Their graves can be found in Plot  2, Rows "C" and  "F".   

They would wear the same cap badge as that you found on the battlefield.  Regards, PhilipG.

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 01:25:46 PM »
Woodfox,

                     The Asiago Plateau - An Austrian Offensive

The Division's History under the above title gives a very brief account of the attack by the Austrian Army on the 15th June 1918.   However, among the battalions working with the British artillery "up on the plateau" was the 21st battalion Manchester Regiment.  The Austrian attack was defeated and I note "an Italian counter-stroke actually improving the line by capturing M. Asolone" is referred to in the Divisional History.  PhilipG.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2016, 11:37:00 AM »
Guys,
You may be interested to note that Pen & Sword books are publishing a book on Asiago next month - called, unsurprisingly: 'Asiago'..
This can be ordered in advance from Pen & Sword books (ebook also available).
Please see below.
Best wishes.
Bob B

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2016, 01:40:34 PM »
Bob.NB)

Thank you.  It's good to know that.  As you will know, there is some interest in this campaign and in particular, to  Granezza British Cemetery.  Vera Brittain's brother, Captain Edward Harold Brittain MC was killed in action (like the Manchesters listed above) on the the 15th June 1918, whilst serving with the Sherwood Foresters .   Shirley Williams, now Baroness Williams of Crosby is Vera Brittain's daughter.

Captain E.H.Brittain is buried in Granezza British Cem. in Plot 1, Row B, Grave 1.   PhilipG.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2016, 03:56:01 PM »
Sat next to her once on a plane back from Brussels - she's delightful but tiny!

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2016, 04:19:17 PM »
The 24th Battalion, the Oldham pals or comrades, also moved to Italy with the 7th Division in 1917. They were the divisional pioneer battalion.

Charlie

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2016, 10:20:51 AM »
thanks at all!!! your informations are very important for me... in the next days I will post in this forum some photos of the commonwealth's cemetery in Asiago Plateau!!! thanks thanks thanks :)
Fabio

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2016, 11:35:37 PM »
Woodfox,

We are all delighted that we have been of service. PhilipG.

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2016, 11:40:34 AM »
            Re Fabio's photograph.
Where would the metal badge  "MANCHESTER" have been worn. please?  PhilipG.

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2016, 11:48:08 AM »
Philip, it's worn on each shoulder tab.

Regards
Pete
Remembering

Pte Sidney Lee (36719), 2nd Battalion, Worcestershire Regt - dow 18.02.17
Sgt Charles Roberts (13668), 11th Bn, Manchester Regiment - kia 18.05.18
Bombardier John Hesford (70065), 147th Heavy Battery, RGA dow - 04.09.18
Pte Sidney Lee (4131324), 8th Bn, Cheshire Regiment -  kia 12.03.41

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Re: ww1 manchester regiment badges from Asiago
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2016, 01:24:34 PM »
Pete,

Thanks for that.  May I ask another question re the photograph?   Is what is displayed a cap badge or lapel badge?  Are we looking at  insignia from an officer's uniform?    PhilipG.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2016, 01:34:10 PM »
Did the design of the shoulder titles change during the war from the City Battalion type to the plain Manchester type? Or is the shoulder title from a regular battalion or a different era?

Charlie