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charlie · « **Reply #210 on:** September 27, 2015, 09:58:00 AM »

Quote from: Tim Bell on September 27, 2015, 07:54:01 AM

Charlie,
https://twitter.com/SKnight1921/status/647879487678509056 - Hope this works.
This provides info about L/Cpl William Chubb, of Manchesters who died as a PoW in Germany on 26/10/1918. His family were from Chorley. I can't find anything more about him and Chubb is hidden in icrc index. I wonder is you can find him?
Tim

Hi Tim,
He is 302038 L/Cpl William Clubb A Coy, 2/7th Bn, buried Niederzwehren cemetery. He died of heart failure. PA 39802 & 42343.
Charlie

Tim Bell · « **Reply #211 on:** September 27, 2015, 04:57:55 PM »

Thanks Charlie,
I read Chubb - not Clubb

As an edit here's some info, with few new bits:-
Rank:
Lance Corporal
Service No:
302038
Date of Death:
26/10/1918
Age:
23
Regiment/Service:
Manchester Regiment

2nd/7th Bn. (BWM VM Roll says previously 2/8th)
Grave Reference:
V. G. 7.
Cemetery:
NIEDERZWEHREN CEMETERY, KASSEL
Additional Information:
Son of Margaret Clubb, of 5, Alexandra St., Chorley, Lancs., and the late Charles Clubb.
Extra from DeRuvigny Roll
Birth Date:    8 Feb 1895
Birth Place:    Chorley, Lancaster
Enlistment Date:    17 Apr 1916 France 1 March 1917. Captured St Quentin 21/3/1918
Death Date:    26 Oct 1918
Death Place:    Meschede, Germany (where he was originally buried)
Father:    Charles S Clubb Edu Hollishead St Congregational School. Former clerk and (Dacca Twist) Rylands & Sons Chorley Branch.

charlie · « **Reply #212 on:** September 27, 2015, 05:00:30 PM »

The newspaper used a phonetic spelling

- makes a change from the ICRC

Charlie

charlie · « **Reply #213 on:** October 06, 2015, 07:20:44 AM »

PA 2191 lists a Pte William Hughes, 3rd Bn, so presumably 1st or 2nd Bn, suffered a chest wound and was held at Mï¿½nster in May 1915. Any ideas which William Hughes he is please.

Charlie

charlie · « **Reply #214 on:** October 07, 2015, 01:41:49 PM »

Quote from: mack on August 12, 2015, 05:28:56 AM

Quote from: Charlie on August 11, 2015, 08:19:17 PM
Thanks for trying Mack. Have you come across the name "Hall" in the ICRC files. I've gone through all the names beginning with "Ha" and Hall isn't there. I do not for one moment believe that no Halls were taken Prisoner.

Charlie
halls have been buggin me for ages,ive tried halle,hull,hill etc but nowts showing up,ive seen halls in lists,but cant find them in the index.

mack

Mack, I received this mail from the ICRC regarding an enquiry I made as to the whereabouts of the name Hall

Dear Sir,

We acknowledge receipt of your request of 28.08.2015 and thank you for your interest in our First World War archives.

Unfortunately we regret to inform you that we cannot help you with your request at the present time. This is because some of our archives are not yet online and some are not physically available as they are being treated to ensure their preservation. This is the case with the information that you requested.

We therefore ask you to be patient a little while longer.

All of the work needed to ensure that our First World War archives are accessible should be completed in 2016. Please rest assured that we are doing our utmost to complete the process as quickly as we can.

Thank you for your understanding.

Yours faithfully,
Magali Chahlaoui-Girod
ICRC Archives

So it looks like the database is not complete as was thought!

Charlie

charlie · « **Reply #215 on:** October 19, 2015, 08:41:45 AM »

PA7712 refers to a Sgt William Jogwill? his index card is cross referenced to Tugwell, the nearest I can find in the Manchesters MiCs is a F/91 Charles S Tugwell but he is also Tank Corps. Any ideas please.

The J's are turning out to be a bit of a nightmare, they are the worst so far for phonetic spellings and also for the first letter of the name being wrong. So far I have found quire a few names which should start with Y F G and T among them!

Charlie

mack · « **Reply #216 on:** October 21, 2015, 07:48:25 AM »

this ones got me beat Charlie

mack

charlie · « **Reply #217 on:** October 21, 2015, 08:19:14 AM »

Quote from: mack on October 21, 2015, 07:48:25 AM

this ones got me beat Charlie

mack

Thanks Mack but I find that hard to believe

Charlie

charlie · « **Reply #218 on:** October 27, 2015, 04:39:37 PM »

PA 27195 CSM? John Jonny? C Coy 17Bn any ideas on this one please. I've tried the surname with wild cards at both ends but nothing remotely near turns up.

Thanks
Charlie

Tim Bell · « **Reply #219 on:** October 27, 2015, 06:18:00 PM »

Charlie,
The War Diary and Official History just lists missing Officers and I can't find your man on any Rolls. I don't know all the CSMs at that stage, but wonder if there is an error in the name. CSM Albert Rhodes & H Brindley MM were Killed in the action.
Tim

charlie · « **Reply #220 on:** October 27, 2015, 07:28:53 PM »

Thanks Tim, I checked through some others on PA27195 as there seemed to be an unusual amount of CSMs listed together, they all seem to marry up with their MiCs. I also tried J John the nearest that that brought up was 37970 Cpl John F St John.

Charlie

charlie · « **Reply #221 on:** October 28, 2015, 07:03:10 AM »

The latest update of the database is now available on the main site.

Tim Bell · « **Reply #222 on:** October 28, 2015, 07:22:22 AM »

37970 John Francis St John completed his service with the 1st Garrison Bttn (see VM BWM Roll), which was away from hostilities. I doubt this is your man.
T

charlie · « **Reply #223 on:** October 28, 2015, 07:46:27 AM »

Thanks Tim, I thought it was a long shot but it's always good to have a second opinion.

Charlie

mack · « **Reply #224 on:** October 28, 2015, 07:51:03 AM »

your man is.

CSM 43403 john,edward young
born 24-2-91 London
C.coy
17th manchesters
POW 22-3-18
langensalza.

I aint getting beaten twice on the trot

mack

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