A place for PoW database amendments and additions

[charlie]

Mack, Timberman
I have found two men with the same number serving with the 1st Bn at the same time, which seems a bit strange. Could they be one and the same? There are MiCs for both of them.

2244 Charles Evans a PoW taken at Sheikh Saed and 2244 James Barlow KiA 08.03.1916 commemorated on the Basra Memorial.

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/392992/3/2/
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1655322/BARLOW,%20GEORGE

Thanks
Charlie

[mack]

hiya Charlie
they are different men,2244 Charles evans re-enlisted on 14th aug 1914 in 4th battalion,age 37,he was shot in the head on the day he was captured,he died of a cerebral tumour at grangethorpe military hospital,rusholme on 11-1-1923

pte 2244 George barlow was 19yrs old and lived at 34 watersheddings st,Oldham

also,there was this man
Cpl 2244 George,thomas bevan DCM,1st manchesters.

mack
ps its possible bevan was a regular and evans and barlow were reserve and special reserve men,simon may be able to help with this

[charlie]

Thanks Mack, it confused me a bit as I have never come across more than one person in a battalion with the same number.

I've started looking through the Gallipoli (which also contain the PoWs from Palestine, Egypt and Mesopotamia) ICRC files and have got down to the letter K. As well as more info on the known PoWs, so far three unknowns have turned up:-

9224 L/Cpl David Hughes, 1st Bn.
23433 Pte James Anthony Borking, 1st Bn.
881 Pte William Hyde, 1st Bn, who served as Dick Jones. +03.10.1916

Charlie

[charlie]

A Captain Palmer 10th Bn is recorded as died in hospital at Felahieb on a list dated 28.03.1916. I can't find any mention of a Captain Palmer with the 10th Bn, he is not mentioned in Amateur Soldiers. Nothing really comes near on the CWGC site. Any ideas please.

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/2748127/708/6954/

Thanks
Charlie

[timberman]

Charlie

No help but this is what I've found.

The only Palmer that was a Captain in the Manchester's was
F C Palmer in the 7th Bn and he didn't die.

The following are all the Palmer's on the CWGC site.

PALMER, HERBERT    Private    56022    15/02/1919    40    Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    Duk. N.C.. B. 2. 14.    DUKINFIELD CEMETERY    
PALMER, HAROLD    Serjeant    8265    12/10/1916    38    Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    Pier and Face 13 A and 14 C.    THIEPVAL MEMORIAL    
PALMER, THOMAS    Private    2455    07/08/1915       Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    Panel 159 to 171.    HELLES MEMORIAL    
PALMER, ALBERT BERTIE    Corporal    301835    21/03/1918       Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    Panel 64 to 67.    POZIERES MEMORIAL    
PALMER, HERBERT    Lance Corporal    2864    23/04/1917    35    Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    Bay 7.    ARRAS MEMORIAL    
PALMER, WALTER HARVEY    Second Lieutenant       23/04/1917    19    Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    Bay 7.    ARRAS MEMORIAL    
PALMER, R H    Private    54210    20/10/1918       Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    B. 1.    BELLE VUE BRITISH CEMETERY, BRIASTRE    
PALMER, R    Private    47452    01/05/1917       Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    P. I. E. 5B.    ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN    
PALMER, HENRY GEORGE    Private    275434    08/09/1917    20    Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    I. C. 27.    ZUYDCOOTE MILITARY CEMETERY    
PALMER, C    Corporal    44458    04/10/1918       Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    B. 3.    BEAUREVOIR COMMUNAL CEMETERY BRITISH EXTENSION    
PALMER, WILLIAM HENRY ELVERY    Private    54454    24/03/1918    19    Manchester Regiment    United Kingdom    V. B. 16.    LE CATEAU MILITARY CEMETERY

Neil

[charlie]

Thanks Neil, I think he will remain a mystery.

Charlie

[PhilipG]

Charlie,

My list of Officer POW's with the name of Palmer as a surname gives the following initials:-

A.E.P., A.W., C.B., C.W., E.A., E.B., F., G.H., Harold., Jack M., J.W.E., K.R., and N.StC.

PhilipG.

[timberman]

Charlie
It's possible that he was attached to the 10th
and gave his Battalion as the 10th when he
was captured.

Neil

[charlie]

Thank you Philip and Neil,
Could one of you double check that I have correctly understood that he died please.
Charlie

[timberman]

I don't think he did, these are all the Officers with the name Palmer
that died with the rank of Captain. Non tie in with the date of death.

                            
Name    Rank    Service Number    Date of Death    Age    Regiment / Service    Service Country    Grave /
Memorial Reference    Cemetery / Memorial Name    Docs.
PALMER, ROLAND GASKELL    Captain       25/04/1915    38    South Wales Borderers    United Kingdom    Panel 80 to 84 or 219 and 220.    HELLES MEMORIAL    
PALMER, CHARLES    Captain       15/01/1916    30    King's Shropshire Light Infantry    United Kingdom    In South-East part.    TRAMORE (HOLY CROSS) CATHOLIC CHURCHYARD    
PALMER, WILLIAM HENRY EYRE    Captain       26/11/1915    41    Rifle Brigade    United Kingdom       HOLLYBROOK MEMORIAL, SOUTHAMPTON    
PALMER, HUGH SALISBURY    Captain       25/04/1918    30    Royal Army Medical Corps    United Kingdom    I. B 18.    CROUY BRITISH CEMETERY, CROUY-SUR-SOMME    
PALMER, D A    Captain       25/03/1918       Tank Corps    United Kingdom    X. E. 12.    DERNANCOURT COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION    
PALMER, The Hon. ROBERT STAFFORD A.    Captain       21/01/1916    27    Hampshire Regiment    United Kingdom    Panel 21 and 63.    BASRA MEMORIAL    
PALMER, ARTHUR PERCY    Captain       27/09/1915    43    Welsh Guards    United Kingdom    Panel 10.    LOOS MEMORIAL    
KEPPEL-PALMER, STEWART LESLIE    Captain       03/10/1918    24    Tank Corps    United Kingdom    III. A. 14.    PROSPECT HILL CEMETERY, GOUY    

Neil
 

[timberman]

Charlie
I've just read the top of the form,
it is a list of decede's (deceased)
soldiers.
He is the only one on the list that they did not
get in touch with the family.

I've rechecked the army list and only F C Palmer
held the rank of Captain, that I can find.

Neil

[charlie]

Thanks Neil, I think the only one he could possibly be is Capt Palmer Hampshire Regt. There isn't a date of death against Capt Palmer Manchester Regt but whoever he was, he must have died prior to the list being processed by the ICRC - 28.03.1916.

Charlie

[PhilipG]

Charlie,

I presume you are referring to Captain The Hon. Robert Stafford Arthur Palmer of the 6th  attd. 4th Hants. who died of wounds in Turkish hands 21.1.16.   PhilipG

[charlie]

Philip,
Yes, Capt the Hon. RSA Palmer. He would seem to be the only one commemorated or buried in the right place and having died at the right time. Perhaps he was, as Timberman has suggested, attached (unofficially or unrecorded) to the 10th Bn. We can only guess at what temporary arrangements were necessary.

Charlie

[mack]

captain palmer wasn't attatched to the manchesters he was with the 4th hampshires,he was wounded in the shoulder and chest on 21st January at um el hannah and died 4hrs later in a Turkish hospital.

mack