A place for PoW database amendments and additions

[charlie]

Columbo, didn't he have wonky eyes as well

[mack]

Columbo, didn't he have wonky eyes as well

that's the fella Charlie

mack

[charlie]

Mack, I don't know what to make of this one:

PA24751 lists 17616 Sydney Eaves, 16th Bn, taken St. Quentin 21.03.1918. According to the MICs 17616 is Sydney H Eves 20th Bn and 24107 RE. There is a 44217 Sydney Eaves in the MICs but no Bn. Would the medal rolls clarify?
Thanks
Charlie

[mack]

hiya Charlie
he is Sydney,humphries eaves,2 levenshulme rd,gorton,A.coy.

mack

[charlie]

I'm not sure if he was Manchesters when captured:

4367 Bennett Exley, C Coy 16th Bn, taken Delville Wood 10.09.1916. The MICs list him as 4367 Manchesters, 6135 and 202756 Loyals. PA 6732,6743,6977 and 7080.

Thanks
Charlie

[Tim Bell]

Hi Charlie,

This is certainly puzzling.  The MICs refer to Bennett in 10th Bttn before 4th LNL - nothing about 16th Bttn.  He then has a Soldiers Effects record (noting "Man Alive") where he was (not) dead on 9/9/1916 serving with 4th LNL. It's possible he was assumed dead after capture in July and then the good news arrived that he was a PoW.  In which case he would appear to have been captured with 4th LNL.  Then again it would be odd for the death date to be during his period of captivity if he had been assumed dead.  Possibly confusion with names....

On the other hand, I'll check Michael Stedman's book on Guillemont tonight, but don't recall LNL being involved in the area until later.  More importantly the British hadn't reached Delville by 10/9/1916.  I recall other references to Delville Wood for men who were actually captured at Trones Wood - where the 16th Battalion had men present on that day.  This doesn't settle the explanation for the 10th Bttn MIC. 

If he'd been attached to 16th Bttn, it would be strange to have been posted to 1/4th LNL 3 months later. http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/10th%20Manchesters suggests Bennett enlisted in Nov 1915.

I'll be interested to hear what others find.

T

[mack]

exley would not have been renumbered with a six figure service number if he was still with the manchesters,he was renumbered after capture,i think the 16th batt reference on his POW card stems from a transcription error by the germans,and the 0 was transcribed as a 6

mack

[charlie]

Thanks Tim and Mack, that puts him with the Loyals.

[charlie]

51105 Percy Farley, 16th Bn no Coy, taken St Quentin 21.03.1918, PA24860 and R53261. MICs list him as also ES/58714 ASC. Is he Manchesters please.

[Tim Bell]

Percy re-enlisted in RASC on 13/3/1919.  I wonder if this means he could have been posted to ASC when he was repatriated - thereby showing the BWM & VM allocated from them rather than Manchesters.  It would be a very strange co-incidence to have been captured on that date in St Quentin with ASC.
Tim

[mack]

your ok with him Charlie,he was one of those who rejoined after repatriation leave,he was down as 17th manchesters.

mack

[charlie]

Thanks both of you.

[charlie]

Another one please:

302652 Jack Feeley, 2/5th Bn, taken 21.03.1918 Villeret, Oldham Rd Miles Platting, PA29024. 302652 is not Jack Feeley or anything like Feeley. There is a 6501 John Feeley in the MICs.

Thanks
Charlie

[charlie]

This one has got me puzzled (not hard I know )

PA27132 lists Herbert Firth 2/6th Bn, born Leeds 15.02.1887, taken Gincourt presumably Jeancourt 21.03.1918, held at Skalmiersch�tz. He has no index card, the reference to him is on the index card of 50399 Harry Firth, 16th Bn, born Oldham 26.07.1889, 20 Princess St Oldham, taken 21.03.1918 St Quentin. There are two Herbert Firths in the MICs: 31315 Manchesters also 129296 MGC, and 303052 Herbert O. Is it a mis-transcription or are they two different people. Princess St Oldham is in Lees.

can anyone shed any light please

Charlie

[mack]

303052 Herbert,osborne firth,last known address,165 hyde park rd,leeds,serving with 2/6th manchesters.

mack