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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #180 on: May 20, 2015, 02:49:47 PM »
2/Lt Hilton

Hello Philip,
On the 29.03.1918 he was involved in a landing incident in RE8 B2295 also of 13 Sqn. The aircraft overturned due to gusty wind on landing after a contact patrol, both 2/Lt Hilton and his pilot 2/Lt AH Read were uninjured. At the time of his death he was flying in RE8 C4570.
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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #181 on: May 20, 2015, 04:20:53 PM »
  Charlie,
 
                                           2nd Lt. Robert Hilton (Observer, No. 13 Squadron RAF & 5th Manchesters)
                               
Thank you for this further information concerning this officer who was killed 6.4.18 age 19 years and who has no known grave, his name being recorded on the Arras Flying Services Memorial.   In the circumstances you describe, there is a dilemma whether or not to release one's harness and drop to the ground and break one's neck or to await the crash crew to arrive to effect your release. Meanwhile, there is the worry of a possible leak of petrol and risk of fire.   The aircrews were brave men. Philip. 

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #182 on: May 31, 2015, 10:05:54 AM »
                              Lt. (later Major) Frederick James Powell MC  :  18th Bn. Manchester Regt. & RFC

This officer was commissioned in the Manchester Regt. in September 1914 and was later to transfer to the Royal Flying Corps, serving in their squadrons numbered 5, 40, & 41.   After hostilities, he served with No. 28 Squadron RAF, the unit being stationed in India.   I note that he qualified as a pilot in March 1915 and the squadrons' records available indicate that he took part in numerous operations in the Salient in 1915/16 piloting Vickers FB5 aircraft, his flying expertise when in contact with the enemy leading to him being classified as an "Air Ace" with 6 "victories" to his name.

There is a gap in the records I have been able to access for the period 1917/18, but it would seem likely that whilst in the UK during those years, he qualified as a pilot suitable for operating single-seat fighter aircraft, as his war time flying ended when he was wounded and made POW whilst piloting such a type of machine, namely the SE5a.

In passing, it is a tribute to aircrews (e.g. Lts. Powell & Lubbock) of the RFC that they contemplated air combat at an altitude of of 10,000 feet, a height, where in the years to come, operations at that altitude would warrant the need for an oxygen supply.

Selected Squadron Reports concerning Lt. Powell :-

19th September 1915

During the early morning, Lt. Powell was in successful combat with enemy aircraft at 6,000 feet, AM1 J.Shaw acting as his gunner and on one occasion was compelled to "chase down" an enemy 'plane on account of a "gun jam".

3rd October 1915

Again Powell was airborne with AM1 Shaw when they were in close combat with a German LVG aircraft at 4,800 feet and thereafter with an Albatros machine.

llth October 1915

Once again Lt. Powell had AM1 Shaw aboard as his gunner when they engaged an enemy biplane at 5,000 feet.  However, their aircraft was hit by AA fire and forced to land where it was discovered that AM Shaw had been wounded in the leg.

4th November 1915

With Lt. E.F.P.Lubbock as his Observer, Powell was flying at 7,000 feet near Ypres when attacked on 3 occasions by enemy aircraft, but nevertheless the two officers were able to return to base unscathed.

28th November 1915

Again flying with Lubbock and whilst on a photographic patrol, Powell engaged in combat with an Aviatik type aircraft climbing to 10,000 feet to do battle.  Frustratingly, at the crucial moment the aircraft's gun jammed.

19th December 1915

In action again with Lubbock, these two officers engaged in air combat once more, this time with an Aviatik, a LVG and a Fokker aircraft, at one time involving a "chase down" from an altitude of 8,000 feet down to 1,000 feet at which height their aircraft was unfortunately hit by AA fire and they were compelled to return to base.

2nd February 1918

By this date Powell was holding the rank of Major with No. 41 Squadron RFC which was equipped with SE5a machines.  Flying No. B8273 he was involved in a fight at 6,000 feet with 3 enemy aircraft and was wounded and forced to land (Auberchicourt - N of Cambrai), where he was made a POW.  The German pilot involved is said to be Lt. Kuhn of Jasta 10. 

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #183 on: May 31, 2015, 11:37:51 AM »
Major Powell

Hello Philip,
The 2nd of February seeming had it in for Major Powell. On the 2nd February 1917 he had to make a forced landing due to freezing oil whilst flying FE8 7611 of 40 Sqn. He landed somewhere Northeast of the Aerodrome. He was MiD 15.10.1915 for gallant conduct. As a PoW he was held at Douai, Karlsruhe, Landshut and Holzminden being repatriated in December 1918.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #184 on: May 31, 2015, 03:06:47 PM »
Charlie,

Many thanks. Do you know where the forced landing took place - UK or Western Front?

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #185 on: May 31, 2015, 05:22:37 PM »
Philip,
40 Sqn served from August 1916 on the western front.
Charlie
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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #186 on: June 01, 2015, 07:38:35 AM »
Charlie,

Thank you.   Regards, Philip.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #187 on: June 08, 2015, 07:25:55 AM »
I note that Major Powell is listed in the "Roll of Officers" for the 18th Manchesters (holding the rank of Lieutenant) in the "City Battalions' Book of Honour".  Alas, on the date the photograph was taken he was absent carrying out duties elsewhere.  I have never been entirely sure when the battalions' photographs for this  book were taken and wonder if the date is known to us. PhilipG.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #188 on: June 08, 2015, 09:44:15 AM »
I note that Major Powell is listed in the "Roll of Officers" for the 18th Manchesters (holding the rank of Lieutenant) in the "City Battalions' Book of Honour".  Alas, on the date the photograph was taken he was absent carrying out duties elsewhere.  I have never been entirely sure when the battalions' photographs for this  book were taken and wonder if the date is known to us. PhilipG.
he landed in france on 14th june 1915.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #189 on: June 09, 2015, 10:26:52 AM »
Mack,

Thank you for that information. Philip.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #190 on: June 10, 2015, 07:46:11 AM »
                           Lieutenant E.M.Besso  :  1/5th Manchester Regt., RFC & RAF

This officer's name is one of some 60 listed on the Manchester Congregations Spanish and Portuguese Jews Roll of Honour for the Great War.   It is understood that getting on for one fifth of enlistments from the community, which would appear to have centred on synagogues in the areas of Cheetham Hill Road and Mauldeth Road, Manchester, served in the Manchester Regiment, including of course, 2nd Lt. Joshua H. Cansino of the 22nd Manchesters who was kia on 2nd June 1916.

I have been unable to trace Lieutenant Besso's service with either the Royal Flying Corps or the Royal Air Force and therefore do not know in which capacity he served in these units.

PhilipG.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #191 on: June 11, 2015, 08:50:11 PM »
His MIC is down as Maurice Besso.

He went with the 1/5th to 2b 10/12/1915.

It says that the British and Victory medals were
administered by the Air ministry
No other info on his Raf service as yet :)

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #192 on: June 11, 2015, 10:43:43 PM »
Timberman,

Thank you.   Some further research has revealed the following:-

Lt. Besso joined up at Burlington Street, Manchester in the 2/7th Manchesters on the 26th September 1914, being issued with the Regimental Number 2609.  He was later commissioned in the 5th battalion in July 1915 before being transferred to the RFC.  He was "demobbed" from the RAF in March 1919.

Post war, he was in correspondence with the Authorities in Preston concerning his gratuity and an apparent failure to issue to him the appropriate war medals to which he was entitled.   PhilipG.


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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #193 on: June 17, 2015, 08:40:56 AM »
Maurice Besso

Hello Philip,
A few bits regarding Maurice Besso:

Posted to 23 Reserve Sqn at Aboukir on 30.4.1917 for instruction (2/Lt).

Appointed Flying Officer and seconded to RFC on 31.05.1917 (2/Lt).

With the Ministry of Munitions as a Lt and Flying Officer from March 1918.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #194 on: June 18, 2015, 09:52:04 AM »
Charlie,

Thank you once again for your contributions.   Philip.