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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #90 on: October 21, 2014, 11:38:06 AM »
2nd Lieutenant Arthur Boon, No. 37 Reserve Squadron RFC & 7th Bn. Manchester Regiment.

This officer was born in Stockport and in November 1914 joined the ranks of the 7th Manchesters, ultimately being selected for a commission in the same regiment.   In due course he transferred to the RFC for aircrew duties.   The records have him as serving in No. 37 Reserve Squadron and also in No. 37 Training Squadron, where his name is included in the list of twelve airmen who lost their lives whilst with the Training Squadron.

Lt. Boon was "killed whilst flying" on 29th March 1917, piloting a RE 8 type aircraft.    Although this 'plane was a "two-seater", there is no indication as to whether or not he was flying "solo".  It is understood that the RE 8 was "difficult to fly" and it may be, that at that particular point in his training, he had not reached the stage where he had fully mastered the technique to overcome the apparent instability of the aircraft, a defect which caused some flyers to call the machine "unsafe"!

Lt. Boon is buried in Coventry (London Road) Cemetery, which is apparently not far from the former airfield.  PhilipG.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #91 on: November 01, 2014, 09:56:45 AM »
               2nd Lieutenant F.E.Vipond :  Manchester Regiment & Royal Flying Corps

On the 27th June 1917, 2nd Lt. Vipond, together with his Observer 2nd Lt.  G.P.Simon was detailed to carry out a photo-reconnaissance over St.Julien, flying in a No. 7 Squadron BE2e aircraft No. A2800.  They took off at 5.15 p.m. and were seen flying over enemy lines.  However, their aircraft was hit by anti-aircraft fire and crashed in the German lines at around 6.35 p.m.   Both officers were initially reported as MIA, but subsequently it was established that they had been taken prisoner by the enemy.

The battalion of the Manchester Regiment in which Lt. Vipond previously served is not known.

(There had been political pressure put upon the RFC, insofar as there had been air raids over London by German Gothas which had caused heavy casualties.   As a result, squadrons were transferred to Calais and to England by the RFC in order to combat the bombing raids.  The Germans knew of these movements and took advantage of the situation until fresh arrangements could be made by the RFC some time later.)    PhilipG.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #92 on: November 01, 2014, 10:25:49 AM »
There is no mention of his Battalion in the ICRC records, he is given as being captured at St Julien. As a PoW he is given as being on 19.07.17 at the officers camp at Karlsruhe having been transferred there from D�lmen and on 11.12.1917 at Holzminden.
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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #93 on: November 02, 2014, 08:09:09 AM »
Charlie,

Thank you for that information. I wonder if your records cover the fate of his Observer - 2nd Lt. G.P.Simon?   If so, it would perhaps be pleasant for them to be together until repatriation at the end of the war, although my very inadequate records suggest that they were parted.   Regards, Philip.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #94 on: November 02, 2014, 11:17:45 AM »
Hello Phillip,
It would appear that they stayed together till early 1918 when 2/Lt Simon was transferred to a camp at Schweidnitz on 19 January. Today Schweidnitz is a town in Lower Silesia, Poland. 2/Lt Simon is recorded as being captured uninjured.
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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #95 on: November 02, 2014, 03:47:42 PM »
Charlie,

Thank you. I suppose if you have to go into a POW camp it would be preferable to do so with your "oppo". Philip.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #96 on: November 02, 2014, 07:12:59 PM »
Phillip,
I don't know if you aware but there is a photo of him and his wife post war here:

http://karenphotographs.com/afamilyalbum/dora_fred.htm

His younger brother Hugh was KiA while serving with the 1/6th Bn

http://www.airhistory.org.uk/rfc/files/names_combined_R-V.csv  among other information gives him as 9Bn TF

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2014, 08:06:12 AM »
Charlie,

Thanks for your further contribution. Fascinating!  The question of the battalion of the Manchesters in which he served you have solved, too.  Great. Philip.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #98 on: December 03, 2014, 03:19:28 PM »
 
         Lieutenant Arthur Westall  RAF : formerly of the 8th Bn. Manchester Regiment.

The 28th September 1918 saw the beginning of the last campaign in Flanders, a campaign mounted by the Allies to break the fighting ability and morale of a weakened German Army.  The RAF took an active part in this undertaking, including No.7 Squadron of the 2nd (Corps) Wing, Lt. Westall being an Observer in this squadron.   The unit was equipped with RE8 type aircraft and in company with his pilot, 2nd. Lt. J.A.G. Henry and flying in aircraft No. E273, Westall and Henry were airborne at 2.15 p.m. on the 28th September having been ordered to carry out a Combat Air Patrol.

During this patrol they were in combat with enemy aircraft and were shot down over the Belgian Army lines, crashing into a shell hole.   Lt Westall was wounded, but his pilot was killed in the crash.    Lt. Henry is buried in Bleuet Farm, near Ypres.

Lt. Westall was evacuated to England five days after the crash and it could be construed  that his wounds were quite serious, for the records show that he was in Nell Lane Military Hospital (Manchester)in July 1919 and that he was still feeling the effects of his wounds in the following year.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #99 on: December 16, 2014, 11:33:13 AM »
                                         Captain Robert Reeder :  Royal Flying Corps & 10th Manchester Regt.

The records reveal that this officer was "killed whilst flying", a statement which could cover a high proportion of deaths in the RFC and RAF.   However, I discovered that when he was killed he was serving in No. 6 Squadron RFC, which from one source is quoted as being a "Corps Squadron" and which at the time of his death appeared to be operating with RE8 aircraft.   The designation of "Corps Squadron" suggested that the unit was one which was called into action only in connection with major attacks, e.g. the attack on the Hindenburg line on the 29th September 1918.  Nevertheless, some 67 deaths, including that of Captain Reeder, were incurred during operations by the squadron, a number which suggests some aerial fighting took place from time to time.

Captain Reeder is listed by the CWGC as holding the appointment of Flight Commander, which could indicate that he was an experienced flyer, but the circumstances in which he died on the 6th January 1918 have escaped my efforts at research.

It would be helpful to learn more about a "Corps Squadron" and certainly, the circumstances of Captain Reeder's untimely death.

He is buried in Doullens Communal Cem. Extn. No. 1.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #100 on: December 16, 2014, 04:10:30 PM »
Philip
I understand a Corps Squadron to be one that is employed on artillery spotting, reconnaissance duties etc.
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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2014, 07:49:09 AM »
Charlie,

Many thanks for that info. Take care. Philip.

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #102 on: December 19, 2014, 05:06:46 PM »
                                      Lieutenant Robert Jacomb Norris Dale : 9th Manchesters and RFC

As a civilian, this officer was the Managing Clerk with the legal firm of Dale & Co of Cornhill, London, having been "admitted" in December 1909.   He enrolled as a private soldier at the commencement of hostilities, joining the Artists's Rifles and being given the Regimental Number - 1656.   By June 1915 he had finished his cadet training and was commissioned in the 9th Manchesters in the rank of 2nd Lieutenant.   In due course, he was promoted to Lieutenant and received a transfer to the Royal Flying Corps serving in Italy with No. 33 Kite Balloon Section, a component of the 9th Balloon Company, the other component being No. 7 Kite Balloon Section.   It was whilst serving as an Observer with No. 33 KBS that he was killed on 31st January 1918.  He is buried in Giavera British Cemetery, Arcade.

His obituary reports that he served in Gallipoli and Egypt as well as in Italy, but I have not been able to confirm that as being correct.

The records state that the location of No. 33 KBS is "not known", but I would suggest that it was in the region of Montello Hill, the scene of the June 1918 battle.

(It would appear that Lt. Dale was the subject of research on the Forum in the past, involving "Timberman" and "Mack", but I have not been able to locate the whereabouts of the thread.)    PhilipG.
 

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #103 on: December 19, 2014, 10:30:43 PM »
Hi Philip

This is the link to Lieutenant Robert Jacomb Norris Dale
topic.

 http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=5190.0

Also a bit on this link.

http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=5865.0

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Re: Transfers of Manchester Regiment Officers to RFC/RAF
« Reply #104 on: December 19, 2014, 11:43:47 PM »
Philip
A bit of an up date :)

This is the record of Dale�s death.

The man responsible for bringing down balloon No 33
was Leutnant Hans von Feden, Jasta 1. Jasta 1 was
operating from San Fior, Italy, in support of 14 Armee.

Dale died on the 31.1.1918 his Balloon was shot down
by Von Feden over Volpago at 4:00 pm

Timberman
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