Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Men

[Glen4059]

Got him, but thanks.

George Jacques was an apprentice turner at Newton Heath Carriage and Wagon Works bounded by Thorp Road (no "e") Monsall Road and Northampton Road (which at the time was called North Road)

http://goo.gl/maps/4Qt7e

[mack]

hiya glen
you will probably have this soldier but posted him just in case.

pte 2947 Samuel rowbottom,1st manchesters,died 27th april 1916,aged 40,worked at Charlestown station,ashton,resided 1 alma place,lodge lane,dukinfield
served in the boer war

mack

[Glen4059]

Apologies for delayed reply - I have been without internet for a week!
I do have the Soldier above but have a different address - (Husband of Elizabeth H. Rowbottom, of IA, High St., Stalybridge. Born at Dukinfield, Cheshire.) taken from CWGC.

However your confirmation is appreciated, as my hand written notes point me to a 1911 census search that gave me -a 46 Year old Railway Clerk in Marple (worked for Great Central), and a 32 YO Railway Drayman from Hulme (worked for Great Northern).

Both the above are crossed out before I settled on the above.

Glen

[mack]

hiya glen.
you may have this but posted it just in case.

1714 William,john spencer
1/7th Lancashire fusiliers
killed in action on 7th august 1915 while holding a captured trench
worked in the telegraph office of the L+Y railway
aged 21
son of George+margaret,8 George st,pendleton
his father was serving in the same company and also worked for the railway as a wireman
William had only just returned to Gallipoli after previously being wounded in the face

mack

[Glen4059]

Thanks again, I had already picked up this mans details from Hell Let Loose -

Born in Preston ,lived with his parents at George St Pendleton . He was employed by the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Company in the Telegraph Department,
Major Law wrote " he was killed whilst assisting to hold a trench, which we took form the enemy. One of his comrades who was beside him , tells me he was shot through the head and died instantly. Your husband (Private George Spencer) is still in good health, though naturally , he feels his son's loss very keenly.

but as usual your help is much appreciated

Glen

[mack]

pte 10985 harold grange
18th manchesters
wheelwright for L+Y railways at salford
63 stapleton st,irlam o heights
son of john,henry+nellie grange
member of the weslyan sunday school irlam and the weslyan cricket team,also a scoutmaster for the local scout group
killed in action 4-2-16

brother of alfred grange who is also on the memorial,alfred was later killed with the 1/8th manchesters

[Glen4059]

Many thanks for this one. I had the same number down as a "most probable" so the confirmation is great

Glen

[Tim Bell]

Glen,
May / not be relevant
Pte. J. Head (wounded), after leaving school, went into the works of the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway Co. at Horwich. At the outbreak of war he enlisted in the 20th Royal Fusiliers, P.S. Battalion.
See pg 234 http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1916_11.pdf
T

[Glen4059]

Thanks for the info. This man seems to have survived as he is not listed on the memorial and a quick check on CWGC does not through up any likley candidates.

A quick update on my research - Some of you may have seen the Micheal Portillo Railways of the Great War series. The accompaning book to the series lists a 2014 publication in the Biblography, that is research of every railway man who fell in WW1. I have searched for the book on Amazon but it does not appear to be published yet. I have written to the publishers of the BBC book to see if they can shed any more light on this reference and am awaiting their reply.

I don't want to replicate work that has already been done - but hope this publication (or contact with the author) will help me in my research.

Glen

[Tim Bell]

Not M/Chrs but http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1918_10.pdf
Lieutenant Walter Dearden (1907-10), North Staffs. Regiment, whose
death was recorded in our July number, was the son of Mr. Wm. Dearden,
F.C.A., o( Whitefield. He is presumed to have died in Mesopotamia nearly
two years ago. Before the war he was in the L. & Y. Ry. Engineering
Works at Horwich.

T

[Glen4059]

Thanks for that - I did have some details but your post gave me a work location and a forename that were missing from my database 

to quote a well known supermarket - every little helps

Glen

[Tim Bell]

Captain Douglas S. Hodgson Jones (1909-12), Royal Fusiliers, who died at Aldershot on February 13th, was the son of the Rev. Hodgson Jones,
formerly rector of St. Matthias, Salford. He was one of the first pupils at the North Manchester Preparatory School, of which he became captain.
After leaving us—he will be remembered at School for his splendid running—he was apprenticed to the Lancashire and Yorkshire Engineering Works at Horwich, and became assistant scoutmaster to the first troop of Grammar School Scouts. He enlisted in the Public Schools Battalion, and was at once nominated to a commission. He was mentioned in despatches, wounded in the arm, and also gassed.

http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1919_02.pdf

[Glen4059]

Thanks Again

I have him listed as Royal Engineers - so will check that

I really appreciate these, the extra info in these posts is fantastic

Glen

[Tim Bell]

Glen,
I'm glad it helps.  Credit goes to the people who digitised & published the school records.  http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/I've been routing through with an eye on 17th Bttn.  It's been a bit of a marathon and I hope others find some useful data in the extracts I've posted on the Manchesters.  I think I'll leave others to cover Bury Grammar and Manchester High School for Girls if they wish....
T

[Tim Bell]

Not Obits. but:-
http://www.worldwar1schoolarchives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ULULA_1919_04.pdf
Railway Work.
The High Master has received the following letter :—
Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway,
Newton Heath,
February 20th, 1919.
Dear Mr. Paton,
The demobilisation of your War workers is from many aspects a source
• of keen regret to all those at the Lancashire and Yorkshire Carriage and
Wfeigon Works, Newton Heath, who have had the pleasure of coming in
contact with such an excellent body of •willing helpers.
If the work done here is taken alone, amongst your varied activities
during the War, it is an effort to serve a great national industry of which
you, the masters, and all the boys, may be very proud, for there is no
doubt that history will record that the railways were one of the brightest
spots in efficiency and services rendered to the State in a period of great
anxiety and strenuous deeds, and you have done your share in achieving
this.
Since the commencement of your work here on March 10th, 1917, to
February 1st, 1919, the Grammar School workers have moved nearly
10,000 tons of material and unloaded about 1,200 wagons, in addition to
. which the excavations for our Timber Drying Kiln now in regular use,
amounting to 1,330 cubic yards, were entirely carried out by the gangs
you provided and the benefit of which will be especially felt for some time
t o come whilst timber continues to be scarce. These are indeed great results.
I want to thank you all very much for the splendid work accomplished,
and especially that you and Messrs. Lodge and Ashby have been workers
amongst the boys on so many occasions ; it will take a well-earned place
in the War history of these Works, and we shall all remember your visits
with much satisfaction.
One cannot attempt to express the above appreciation in any concrete
form, but I will ask you present to receive a framed photographic souvenir,
and should be glad if you can find a place for it in the Grammar School;
also I send a small token of my personal gratitude for your War Memorial
Fund which please accept and enter in your lists as " A Thank-offering for
War Services."
Believe me always,
Yours faithfully,
F . E. GOBEY.