St.Quentin-British Graves

[mack]

hiya Philip
regarding durrant,there was only one officer called durrant who served with the manchesters,he was 2/Lt Frederick,james durrant of the 16th batt,he was captured on 21-3-18 along with the former 16th batts adjutant major sotham,they were both listed with the 10th manchesters,he survived the war.

mack

[mack]

For a few days in August 1914, the elegant Henri Martin School in St.Quentin was the centre for the tactical control of the British Expeditionary Force then in retreat from Le Cateau.   Just the day before the 2nd Manchesters entered the town, Sir John French held a conference there with three French generals, including Joffre.  The conference was not a success and resulted in Sir John departing from St. Quentin for Noyon some 25 miles away.  In his wake he left his disconsolate staff officers to organise, assist and direct the fast approaching retreating British forces through the town and beyond.  The arrangements they made proved to be excellent, for in the end, all units passing through, including the 2nd Manchesters, were issued with food and drink dispensed from the broad steps of the Palais de Fervaques (Court of Justice) as the troops filed past.

No 2199 Pte.G.Irwin had become a casualty at Le Cateau on the 26th August, subsequently dying of his wounds with the 2nd Manchesters apparently bringing his body back with them to St.Quentin.  Here he was buried in St. Quentin Northern Communal Cemetery just a day before the enemy entered the town.  It would be interesting to learn whether or not his death is recorded in the battalion's War Diary.

(Two British soldiers (King's Own & R.Irish Rifles), who arrived in St.Quentin after their battalions had departed were given shelter by the French, but were denounced by a girl, who in 1921 was sentenced to death on account of the betrayal.  The two soldiers were shot by a German firing squad on the 8th March 1915 and are buried in the same cemetery as Pte. Irwin.)

During the course of hostilities around St.Quentin, British casualties numbering about 134 were buried in St.Martin Military Cemetery.  In the 1920's these British burials were re-interred in the consolidation cemetery in St.Souplet.   Anticipating that there would be a number of Manchesters originally buried in the St.Martin cemetery, I did a "trawl" of the St.Souplet records. To my surprise I came up with just five Manchesters relevant to my research.   The names extracted from the St.Souplet files are: -

13548 Sgt. A.Allott Died 26.3.18.  16th Mcrs.

41602 Pte. H.J.Bones Dow. 24.3.18. 17th Mcrs.

12299 Pte.W.H.Caldwell Kia 22.3.18. 17th Mcrs.

250329 L/Cpl. T.Gratrix Dow 28.3.18.  16th Mcrs. (or 26.3.18)

N/4914 Sgt.A.Harding Dow  29.3.18.    16th Mcrs.

Apart from Pte.Caldwell, I am assuming the remainder listed above died whilst in German hands.  As so many of the 16th battalion who fell at Manchester Hill have no known grave, their names being engraved on the Pozieres Memorial panels, it is pleasing to note that the relatives of the 3 NCO's in the 16th Manchesters would have graves to visit, so important a factor to mourners in the past and indeed today. PhilipG.

pte 41602 Herbert,john bones died of wounds as a POW in the 31st field lazarette,captured 22nd march while serving with the 17th manchesters.

Caldwell was reported missing on 21st march and his death assumed to have been on 22nd march

mack

[PhilipG]

Mack,
 As always thanks for your information.  Take care, Philip.

[PhilipG]

Mack,

Re 2nd Lt.F.J.Durrant.

I see that before he was commissioned he was No. 2130 L/Cpl Durrant of the 4th London Regt. (Royal Fusiliers). Regards, Philip.

[timberman]

These are all I can find for the 21/03/1918
I'll have another look.


DEVON
J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
252611
21.03.1918
CHAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY, HOLNON
DONNELLY
E
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
303305
21.03.1918
CHAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY, HOLNON
SEDDON
T
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
26287
21.03.1918
CHAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY, HOLNON
BEAN
F
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
50994
21.03.1918
CHAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY, HOLNON

ROYLE
W
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
7256
21.03.1918
HAM BRITISH CEMETERY, MUILLE-VILLETTE
HENDERSON, JOHN HALL
J H
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
46701
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
GLOVER, ANTHONY
A
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
54706
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
GREENFIELD, ALBERT
A
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
25268
25.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
ASHE, EDWARD NEVILLE
E N
CAPTAIN
8TH BN. ATTD. 16TH BN.
-
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
GREEN, OSWALD
O
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
27307
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
HEATHCOTE, HAROLD
H
CORPORAL
16TH BN.
21412
24.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
HALL, JOHN WILLIE
J W
CORPORAL
16TH BN.
28248
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
WILSON, ROBERT
R
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
9203
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
ARMITAGE, ERNEST
E
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
39652
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
HOYE, ARCHER SEARLE
A S
SERJEANT
16TH BN.
6630
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
JACKSON, ERNEST
E
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
35688
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
HOCKNEY, JAMES
J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
31211
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
HOPKINSON, ALFRED HOLT
A H
PRIVATE (SIGNALLER)
16TH BN.
46817
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
FROST, HAROLD
H
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
276724
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
WILLIAMS, ARTHUR
A
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
48397
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
GILMAN, ARTHUR IVAN
A I
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
377029
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
FARRELL, DANIEL
D
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
23960
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
FITTON, TOM
T
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
11543
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
BUNTING, LAWRENCE
L
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
43101
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
BURNS, JAMES
J
PRIVATE
2ND 16TH BN.
250754
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
BELL, ERNEST VICTOR
E V
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
59178
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
BUTLER, JOHN JAMES
J J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
54671
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
BENN, THOMAS
T
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
11472
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
BENNETT, ROBERT
R
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
7360
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
ASPLEY, CHARLES JOSEPH
C J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
54657
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
JOYCE, JOHN JOSEPH
J J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
49421
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
YATES, THOMAS
T
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
203846
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
WITHINGTON, WILLIAM HENRY
W H
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
17269
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
BAKER, FREDERICK GEORGE
F G
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
47541
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
CARRIGAN, MYLES
M
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
203236
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
ELSTOB, WILFRITH
W
LIEUTENANT COLONEL
16TH BN.
-
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
CRIMMINS, WILLIAM
W
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
41857
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
EDWARDS, HARRY
H
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
54691
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
DAWSON, JAMES THOMAS
J T
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
6233
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
CURTIN, TIMOTHY
T
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
36276
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
COOKSON, CHARLES
C
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
47246
24.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
CARTWRIGHT, SAMUEL
S
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
43208
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
COLLINS, HARRY GEORGE
H G
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
41783
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
COLLINGE, ELIJAH
E
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
27100
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
CLOUGH, HENRY
H
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
29462
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
JOHNSON, CHARLES
C
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
43917
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
WHITEHEAD, FREDERICK
F
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
51078
24.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
KAY
M
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
49601
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
KEMP, FREDERICK
F
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
49174
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SMITH, JAMES ARCHIBALD
J A
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
47540
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SMULLEN, ABRAHAM
A
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
33847
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SMITH, WILLIAM
W
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
400966
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SHEPHERD, FRED
F
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
35696
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
STALKER, JAMES
J
LANCE SERJEANT
16TH BN.
43094
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SHARPLES, NORMAN
N
CAPTAIN (ADJT.)
16TH BN.
-
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SCHAEFER, HERMAN
H
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
44112
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SOUTHWORTH, BERNARD
B
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
202875
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
STEEL, SAMUEL
S
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
302736
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
ROYLE, LEONARD
L
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
39442
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
TURNER, GEORGE
G
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
57334
24.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
KIMPTON, FREDERICK ARTHUR
F A
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
41040
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
VALENTINE, HENRY
H
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
251339
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
TURNER, EPHRAIM
E
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
43067
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
THOMAS, REGINALD CLIFTON
R C
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
303307
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
TUFFS, FREDERICK
F
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
49405
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
THOMPSON, WILLIAM
W
LANCE CORPORAL
"C" COY. 16TH BN.
29617
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
RYDER, JOHN
J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
46650
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
SNOWDIN, FRANK
F
LANCE SERJEANT
16TH BN.
40861
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
ROUSE, BERNARD
B
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
2354
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
MARTIN, SIDNEY BERT
S B
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
59213
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
MASTERS, WILLIAM HENRY
W H
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
41878
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
MASSEY, EMMANUEL
E
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
35643
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
LEWIS, CHARLES
C
SECOND LIEUTENANT
6TH BN. ATTD. 16TH BN.
-
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
MILLS, RICHARD
R
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
48590
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
ROSEWARREN, THOMAS ROBERT
T R
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
43783
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
KINDLEYSIDES, HENRY JAMES
H J
LANCE CORPORAL
"A" COY. 16TH BN.
43029
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
MERCER, JOHN
J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
401042
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
LEIGHTON, JAMES
J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
202960
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
MURPHY, EDWARD
E
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
61113
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
O'NEILL, CHARLES
C
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
352329
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
QUINLIVAN, JOSEPH
J
SERJEANT
16TH BN.
1667
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
RICK, CHARLES
C
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
40850
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
PEMBERTON, JESSE EDWIN
J E
CORPORAL
16TH BN.
33704
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
PICKERING, JOHN WASLEY
J W
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
37648
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
OWEN, RICHARD
R
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
9235
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL
RICHARDSON, GEORGE
G
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
401099
21.03.1918
POZIERES MEMORIAL

Timberman

[timberman]

Died as POW's

WOODS, EDWARD
E
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
7275
21.07.1918
BERLIN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY
CLARKE
A
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
41027
05.05.1918
BERLIN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY
SMITH, WILLIAM VINCENT
W V
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
6558
26.10.1918
BERLIN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY
MCQUINN
W
SECOND LIEUTENANT
16TH BN.
-
06.08.1918
BERLIN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY
SCHOLES, WALTER
W
PRIVATE
"C" COY. 16TH BN.
6926
11.10.1918
COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY
BURNS
J A
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
7346
27.07.1918
COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY
CLARKE, JOHN
J
LIEUTENANT
"D" COY. 16TH BN.
-
24.10.1918
COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY
PARKER
E
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
401217
12.05.1918
HAMBURG CEMETERY
ASHTON, JAMES
J
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
54659
25.10.1918
HAMBURG CEMETERY
BOULD
T
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
20616
02.05.1918
MONTMEDY GERMAN CEMETERY
GRATRIX
T
LANCE CORPORAL
16TH BN.
250329
26.03.1918
ST. SOUPLET BRITISH CEMETERY
HARDING
A
SERJEANT
16TH BN.
N/4914
29.03.1918
ST. SOUPLET BRITISH CEMETERY
ALLOTT
A
SERJEANT
16TH BN.
13548
26.03.1918
ST. SOUPLET BRITISH CEMETERY

Timberman

[timberman]

Died of wounds

ROYLE
W
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
7256
21.03.1918
HAM BRITISH CEMETERY, MUILLE-VILLETTE
LAMB
C
PRIVATE
16TH BN.
37814
23.03.1918
NOYON NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
WILSON
W
SERJEANT
16TH BN.
6329
27.03.1918
ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN
ROBERTS, RUPERT EDWARD
R E
MAJOR
16TH BN.
-
26.03.1918
ST. SEVER CEMETERY, ROUEN

19 about the time of Manchester Hill on TYNE COT MEMORIAL

WOLSTENCROFT, STANLEY
Rank:
Company Serjeant Major
Service No:
252213
Date of Death:
27/03/1918
Age:
38
Regiment/Service:
Manchester Regiment
 
16th Bn.
Grave Reference
Near South End.
Cemetery
LIBRAMONT COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Abraham and Jane Wolstencroft, of Manchester; husband of Frances Gertrude Wolstencroft, of "Gessingthorpe," Newmarket Rd., Dyserth, Flints.

Name:    Stanley Wolstencroft
Birth Place:    Platt Church, Rusholme
Death Date:    27 Mar 1918
Death Location:    France & Flanders
Enlistment Location:    Manchester
Rank:    C.S.M.
Regiment:    Manchester Regiment
Battalion:    16th Battalion
Number:    252213
Type of Casualty:    Died of wounds
Theatre of War:    Western European Theatre


Timberman

[PhilipG]

Timberman,

How very kind of you to go to so much trouble on my behalf.  Your efforts are greatly appreciated.   I now have much to work upon, so may I suggest you belay any further effort on the  subject  for the time being?  For my part, I am hoping to resume another look at the 2nd Bn.- one of my favourites. Again thanks and take care. Philip.

[timberman]

Philip

it was no trouble, it all helps with other peoples research.

I put the link in the link section 26 July 2009

http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=2960.0



Timberman