Shoulder titles

[PhilipG]

George

Re your "surplus". That would be the year when the Manchesters were amalgamated with the King's Liverpools I take it. In 1969 it was re-designated as The King's Regiment, as you will be aware.  I would like to know where the Manchesters finally ended up. A new topic, perhaps? PhilipG.

[8thfoot]

This is the cloth title worn by the regiment after amalgamation ( see article by David Rutter in MHS Bulletin in I think the 1970`s )

P.B.

[PhilipG]

8thfoot
Thanks for that. Quite ornate. In matters military, my experience is related to the time when I was working for King George Vl. During that time there was a need to save cloth, hence  the abolition of pocket flaps.  The regimental name badge I am sure, was just a strip of red cloth of no quality with the name of the regiment stencilled in white letters thereon.  Your title suggests that you know Liverpool. In 1943 I sailed from Prince's (?) Landing Stage opposite the Liver Building, in due time looking over the vessel's stern and watching  Blackpool Tower disappearing over the horizon.  Best regards, PhilipG.

[george.theshed197]

Phillip,
Technically speaking I believe that we have reached the stage when we are now OUTSIDE the remit of The Manchester Regiment Forum as The Manchester Regiment ceased to exist as such from the Amalgamation with The Kings Regiment in September 1958. It was not disbanded just used to exist as Manchester's and ultimately when the Duke of Lancashire's Regiment were formed from most of the Old Lancashire Regiment's plus The Border Regiment - (the odd ball's from Cumbria - which may get a few squeaks of complaint from those who had served with it).
I would have to request Counsel on this fact Bob or Neil.
Over to you for advise please.
George.

[timberman]

I agree George
this is the Manchester Regiment Forum
and as such does not cover the Kings Regiment
or the Duke of Lancashire Regiment.
It could be carried on in the General Discussion section.

In the Duke of Lancashire Regiment recruiting book the Manchester's are mentioned,
But where as when the Manchester Regiment was formed from the 63rd and 96th
Regiments of foot these numbers were still used. When the Manchester's became
the Kings Regiment the name Manchester Regiment was lost.
Even on the  Duke of Lancashire Regiment battle honours they had to choose 43 for the Queens colours and 46
for the Regimental colours from all the Regiments that had been Amalgamated dating back to the 96th, 63rd, Manchester's,
etc.

So the regiment has a history but its a bit of a mishmash of several regiments. 


Battle honours for the Duke of Lancashire Regiment

Infantry regiments are permitted to display 43 battle honours from the two world wars on the Queen's Colour and 46 honours from other conflicts on the Regimental Colour. Upon amalgamation, the Duke of Lancaster's Regiment had to choose from the total list of honours of its three antecedents which honours would be displayed on its new colours. The chosen honours were:

    Queen's Colour
        Mons; Retreat from Mons; Marne 1914, 18; Aisne 1914, 18; Messines 1914, 17, 18; Ypres 1914, 15, 17, 18; Neuve Chapelle; Loos; Somme 1916, 18; Arras 1917, 18; Scarpe 1917, 18; Cambrai 1917, 18; Lys; Hindenburg Line; Vittorio Veneto; Macedonia 1915-18; Sari Bair; Gallipoli 1915-16; Megiddo; Kut al Amara 1917; Baghdad; Kilimanjaro; Dunkirk; Normandy Landing; Falaise; Arnhem 1944; Lower Maas; Ourthe; Reichswald; Defence of Habbaniya; Tobruk 1941; Madagascar; Gueriat el Atach Ridge; Landing in Sicily; Anzio; Cassino II; Malta 1940-42; Singapore Island; Chindits 1943; North Arakan; Chindits 1944; Imphal; Kohima; Nyaungu Bridgehead; Burma 1943-45
    Regimental Colour
        Namur 1695; Gibraltar 1704-5; Blenheim; Ramillies; Oudenarde; Malplaquet; Dettingen; Louisburg; Guadeloupe 1759; Quebec 1759; Maida; Monte Video; Vimiera; Corunna; Arroyo dos Molinos; Tarifa; Badajoz; Salamanca; Vittoria; St Sebastian; Pyrenees; Nivelle; Nive; Guadeloupe 1810; Java; Bladensburg; Niagara; Waterloo; Bhurtpore; Candahar 1842; Cabool 1842; Maharajpore; New Zealand 1845-47; Alma; Inkerman; Sevastopol; Canton; Delhi 1857; Lucknow; New Zealand 1860-68; Abyssinia; Ahmad Khel; Afghanistan 1878-80; Defence of Kimberley; Defence of Ladysmith; Relief of Ladysmith; Afghanistan 1919; Korea 1952-53; The Hook 1953

In addition to the displayed honours, the regimental colour will also display four emblems from the antecedents regiments:

    Lion of England - displayed top left; from the King's Own Royal Border Regiment
    White Horse of Hanover - displayed top right; from the King's Regiment
    Red Rose charged with the Prince of Wales's feathers - displayed bottom left; from the Lancashire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Volunteers)
    Red Rose charged with the Royal Crest - displayed bottom right; from the Loyal Regiment (North Lancashire)

In addition, the Regimental Colour also features a Sphinx to distinguish the battle honour "Egypt" and a Dragon for the honour "China".


These are my thoughts on the matter but I sure other people may disagree.

Timberman.

[PhilipG]

Dear George & Timberman

I bow to superior officers.  I detect, sometimes, a feeling of sadness that a great regiment such as the Manchesters is, as appears to be the case, no longer with us.   I console myself, that as long as Wilfred Owen, his poetry, in some of which he writes about his experiences with the 2nd Bn, continues to be well known and from time to time in the public eye,the name of the Manchester Regiment will not be forgotten.  When you consider that Owen is on the syllabus for schools, I reckon the Manchesters will be known for some time yet.  Take care. PhilipG.

[george.theshed197]

Hi PhillipG,
Yes,  sorry for that however - all's well that ends well.
Thanks Timberman also.
Take care.
George.