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21st Manchester Company B 5th Platoon - T.E. Downs

Started by RaptorBob, April 04, 2013, 02:40:59 AM

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Wendi

Nice one mack  ;D here's the link http://www.arts-autographs.co.uk/actors-fr-gre.html

While I'm here, I've been wondering if anyone would like to guess

Quote from: tonyrod on April 04, 2013, 01:09:06 PM
Lot 409
Sergeant T.E. Downs, Manchester Regiment. 1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal all named to 18855 Sergeant T.E. Downs, Manchester Regiment. Small silver gilt medal, the reverse 'For Good Service Sgt T.E. Downs' the obverse 'K.L.M.C.H. 1917' 'Kings Lancashire Medical Convalescent Hospital 1917' With copy papers, later served Royal Flying Corps. (4) Good very fine £ 125-150.

What kind of copy papers these would have been?

Wendi
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it!  No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha

themonsstar

The medal roll of the 1915 Star, the other medals were issued from the Border Regt.

Wendi

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it!  No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha

RaptorBob

All I can say is - wow - thank you! (I have some shopping to do!)

My father and his brother have both seen the results from just a short few days on this forum, you've managed very quickly to uncover such a depth of information that we had barely scratched the surface on until now.  It has added a tremendous amount of depth to their memories of their Grandfather.

My father and I will be staying in Martinpuich in a few weeks to visit the area of the Manchesters engagements on July 1 onwards.  If anyone has any specific recommendations for notable locations for the 21st I would be eternally grateful.

Even though we were lucky enough that neither Thomas or Arthur fell on the Somme, it is still very important for us to visit the area where they all spent many months with their close comrades, many of whom were no where near as lucky.

I am glad we have been able to help add colour to some of the story of the 21st, both pre-and post war.

tonyrod

hi Robert, if you go into any of the smaller grave yards, could you take photo's of the manchester lads so I can add to our flicker site,
this is the link to the  list we have  of all the cemetery grave photo's, any where else is good,

http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=5907.0   cheers   tony

Wendi

Tony I would value your coments on my post here, the one prior to Roy postong of the rolls
Ta
Wendi
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it!  No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha

mack

Quote from: Wendi on April 06, 2013, 11:13:01 AM
Tony I would value your coments on my post here, the one prior to Roy postong of the rolls
Ta
Wendi
hiya wendi.
they may be his service papers from the RFC.

mack ;D

tonyrod

sorry Wendi,  missed your reply, I can not find his service or pension papers while he was with the manchesters, so more than likely his papers with the RFC,   I will have another look though.

Wendi

Thanks mack that's what I thought.  Perhaps tony can find something, that or his RAF papers ???

Don't spose anyone of our collectors knows who might have the medals  ;D

Wendi
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it!  No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha

tonyrod

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WENDI, the auctions would more than likly know,   http://www.wellingtonauctions.com/AuctionListing.htm

Wellington Auctions,
36 Church Hill,
Loughton,
Essex.
IG10 1LA

0208 418 9790
07976 266293

Wendi

That's a point tony !

Bob I'm thinking it might be worth asking the auction house which papers they sold wih the medals, you could then apply to the relevant agency for copies.

Wendi  :)
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it!  No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha

RaptorBob

Hi All - thanks for the continued comments and interest - i've been away for the past week so not been catching up until now.

Tonyrod - absolutely, will take photos of anything I find not already on your list.  Have printed it to take with me.

On the medals - my father has emailed the auctioneer, no response so far.  Will try a call tomorrow if we don't get a response by then.  We're trying to track down the actual medals themselves, as well as the papers.

Thanks all!

RaptorBob

Forgot... Mack - Thank you :-)  we got the signed photo of Nellie.

Also turns out - (small world) I got into a great discussion with the guy who runs the site - his grandfather was in the Royal Scots Fusiliers.  He visited the Somme area last year, and said he saw plenty of Manchester regiment graves in "Flatiron Copse Cemetary", just south of Bazentin-le-Grand. (will see if I can find it next week).

His grandfather was in the 3rd Division, who seemed to have fought alongside 7th Division in the battle of Bazentin & High Wood.

His grandfather is 2nd Lieut Stuart Revels, 1st Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers.

His grandfathers fate:


(quote)
"On 18th July 1916 my grandfather was buried-alive when a large German howitzer shell exploded next to him, and he was dug up ten minutes later, unconscious but still alive. He told me about it when he was nearly 90 and I was a teenager, and said that it had been the worst experience of his life. Not surprising really!"

"If you go to Caterpillar Valley Cemetery, the really big cemetery just west of Longueval, then on the cemetery's south edge, as you look back down the slope to Montauban, stretching 100 to your right across the barley field is the site of the trench where my granfather was buried-alive and dug-up."

"My grandfather joined the 5th Scottish Rifles as a private in the first weeks of the war, then after a year or so was commissioned in Jan 1916, was wounded three times, and ended the war as a captain. So he had a very eventful war!"

Amazing who you bump into by accident!

tonyrod