new to the forum - will rack up the posts though!

[pierce09]

hi all

My name is Rhys and i'm currently a serving member of the RAF. i'm on here as i am researching the family military history and in the last week i've discovered i have at least 3 relatives that have served in the Manchesters, Pte C Viner was in 1910-13, Pte J Viner was a possible Manchester draft to Canada then rejoined in 1914 and as yet unknown Jim Viner during WW2.

if anyone can aid me, i would be very grateful and if i can aid anyone, feel free to ask!

hope to speak to you soon

Rhys

[pete th]

Hi Rhys, welcome to the forum 

Cheers
Pete

[mack]

hiya rhys.
the j.viner your looking for could be this man

pte 2658 john viner
2nd manchesters
enlisted 13-8-14
aged 28
married miss mary maynard on 31-9-1909 and again on 14-11-09 at halifax nova scotia
he was living at 5 lower pilaper rd,woolwich at the time of enlistment
another address in 1916 was 13 wade st,openshaw,manchester and after discharge he lived at 9 emma st,silvertown london
suffered a gunshot wound on 2-5-15
shipped home on 9-5-15
discharged through wounds on 16-6-16[from 3rd manchesters]
silver war badge No73484
previously served 1 year with the manchesters and 3 years with the royal canadian infantry

mack

[tonyrod]

hi  Rhys , medal card  unable to post due to copy-write,, it clearly shows  the 3 rd battalion.

and the info mack as posted,   went over 21/04/1915  1914-15 star victory and war medal,shot after only 11 days shipped home 7 days later the 9/5/1915  ,  tonyrod

[mack]

c.viner

pte 1989 charles viner
4th manchesters[special res]
joined 2nd manchesters at mullingar on 8th december 1910
aged 18
lived 23 neden st,openshaw manchester
discharged medically unfit 17th july 1913
now residing at 124 edensor st,beswick manchester with his mother eliza,stepfather walter hible and brothers james+herbert

herbert served in the RE as sapper 36388 herbert viner,98th light railway coy,prewar worked as a fireman at patricroft railway sheds,married miss sarah,ann martin at salford parish church on 28-7-17,lived at 26 waterloo st,salford,moved to 67 keywest st beswick after the war

mack

[pierce09]

thank you for that! i never knew Eliza remarried after my great great grandfather died so thats why we could find a record of Herbert.

Mack; you are my new hero!

can't find a MIC for him however, just his service papers. he appeared to have served in Egypt, Palastine and Syria until 1920

i've also emailed the Royal Canadian Regt for any info on the soldiers form the Manchesters who transferred.

Thanks mack and tony

[pierce09]

Mack, found his MIC, his number is 323889 on it.
also has a number WR290518. not sure what this means.

to top it off, his brother, my great grandfather, James was ASC and RFA from 8-8-14 to the end of the war.

thanks very much for your knowledge! it's making my attempt at sorting a military history of the family alot easier!

Rhys

[mack]

herberts two daughters were baptised at christ church,salford

elsie baptised by rev myles atkinson on 28-4-1918,born 13-4-18
olive baptised 8-12-1920 by rev a.w thompson,born 24-11-1920

these two people could be your great grandparents.
james+margaret viner,buried in gorton cemetery

james buried 30-8-1947
margaret buried 20-1-1943
grave ref.R.RC.209

mack

[pierce09]

my family tree shows that James Viner and Margaret Ward are my great grandparents. James' son James Anthony Viner served with the Manchesters in WW2 but that is a new search i will start at a later date!

so far, i think i have, James in RFA and ASC, John of 3rd and 2nd Bttn the Manchester Regt, Charles of the 2nd Bttn Mancs and Herbert Viner RE. i've still to start my fathers side!

since then, my grandfather, grandmother, father, 3 uncles, 4 cousins, my brother and myself have all served. i need to see if i can find any soldiers in the family before John and Charles (about 1906-07).

Thanks for all your help Mack. much appreciated

[pierce09]

so after trawling Ancestry, i joined findmypast as well and found the militia papers for my great great uncles. Charles joined the 4th Bttn in mar 1910 and transferred to the 2nd in dec of that year. however, i cant seem to download the documents even though i've paid (all 16 pages downloaded are just the first page). aside from that, it says he was in Curragh, Ireland when he was discharged in 1913. does anyone know where i can read about the regiments' activities in Ireland between 1910-1913?

Thanks

[Robert Bonner]

Rhys,
The activities of the battalion between 1910 and 1913 are detailed in Volume Two of Wylie's History of The Mancheste Regiment.
Assuming that you are currently based in the UK, you will be able to obtain a copy through the inter-library lending system from your local library.

[sphinx]

Mack, found his MIC, his number is 323889 on it.
also has a number WR290518. not sure what this means.

to top it off, his brother, my great grandfather, James was ASC and RFA from 8-8-14 to the end of the war.

thanks very much for your knowledge! it's making my attempt at sorting a military history of the family alot easier!

Rhys

Rhys,


WR is a Royal Engineers service number prefix for soldiers working on Waterways & Railways.

regards

[pierce09]

Thank you Sphinx for the help there.

Capt Bonner; sadly i'm not based in the UK at the moment. Sunny Nevada for the time being. i shall see if a relative can get hold of a copy. thank you for the information though.

[pierce09]

Rhys,
The activities of the battalion between 1910 and 1913 are detailed in Volume Two of Wylie's History of The Mancheste Regiment.
Assuming that you are currently based in the UK, you will be able to obtain a copy through the inter-library lending system from your local library.

so as i'm now permanently based in Nevada, i just ordered volume 1 & 2 of the history and Lt Cmdr Bell's 1022-1948 volume as well.

to recap on the family so far;

Dvr James Viner joined around oct 1911 in the ASC, sent to France 8-8-14 and transferred to RFA approx Apr/May 1918

1989 LCpl Charles Viner joined 4th Bttn SR on 1-3-10 and transferred to 2nd bttn Manchesters on 8-12-10 to H Coy, promoted to LCpl 8-6-12 and med discharged 17-7-13 for as yet, unknown reasons.

2658 Pte John Viner joined the 5th (militia) Bttn on 20-10-05, transferred to the Royal Canadian Regiment as part of a draft on 12-1-07. dishcharged at Halifax, Nova Scotia on 11-1-10 but re-enlisted 13-8-14 into 3rd Bttn and was sent to France to the 2nd on 21-4-15. suffered GSW on 2-5-15 and sent home 8-5-15. med discharge 16-6-16

finally

Spr Herbert Viner joined 14-1-16, served with 89th Light Railway Coy, RE in Egypt, Palestine and Syria and was discharged 23-3-20.

and just for interest, the WW2 relative is 3535131 Pte James (Jim) Viner, enlisted 30-5-40, possibly in a mortar section and transferred to reserves on 4-5-46.

if anyone can add anything to this or correct me, please do!