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Re: Captain Thomas Cartman
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2018, 07:22:00 AM »
Volume 1
Pg 17
Officer in central image is Capt Tom Cartman.
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Re: Captain Thomas Cartman
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2018, 02:11:10 PM »
Volume II
Pg 17
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2nd Lt Walter Harvey Palmer PHOTO 17th Bttn 21/7/1897 Resident W Didsbury. Father was manufactures agent in cotton trade. Mother was Education Committee. Hulme Grammar School to 1915. Enlisted Pte 6861 Inns of Court OTC 15/10/1915. KiA 23/4/1917 aged 19. Comm 4/9/1916. Arrived 17th Bttn  from 3rd Bttn 28/10/1916. Wounded Jan 1917. 2nd Lt in A Coy, KiA Heninel 23/4/1917.
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Re: Captain Thomas Cartman
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2018, 06:39:10 AM »
Volume I
Pg 4
The man on the right with cigarette is Lt Watson KIA. This is the only image I've seen of James Watson.  I assume this image was taken at Altcar when Tom was in 25th Bttn and James was in 27th Bttn.  The other chap could have been 25th-27th Bttn and may have had overseas service with any of the City Bttns.

Lt James Watson Comm 23rd Bttn. Appendicitis in 1915. (b 17-19/7/1893) Transferred 27thBttn  & att 17th Bttn July 1916.  He was the son of Robert Watson JP and Elizabeth Watson. Family lived in Londonderry - Waterside Presbyterian Church. Educated at Foyle College. Worked for Belfast Banking Company. Enlisted in 10/Royal Inniskilling Regiment - Derry Volunteers.KiA 29-30/7/1916. Buried Squeak Forward Position with three OR and concentrated at Dantzig Alley. CWGC says 27th Bttn, but War Diary confirms 17th.


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I assume the Bttn Bombing School image shows Tom standing over the traverses in the area for Bombing practice at Altcar. Pg 5 shoes more images of these men in January 1915.  I have few identities of men who trained as bombers in 25th Bttn in Jan 1915 and arrived as drafts before Montauban.  Some will probably have been killed at Triangle Point with my grandad and the bombing detachment there from A Coy and HQ.

Pg 7
Various cuttings for Tom's MC Award and top right is the casualty list for 23/4/1917 with 16th / 17th Bttn losses marked.
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Re: Captain Thomas Cartman
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2018, 11:38:44 AM »
This Inns of Court OTC Record says Tom Cartman was Pte 5364 in 6 Pln, then 5 Pln.  He joined 4/8/1915 and discharged to commission with Manchesters 15/1/1916. Served in France achieveing rank of Captain and wounded twice.  MC.  Address 109 Bury and Bolton Rd, Radcliffe.
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Re: Captain Thomas Cartman
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2021, 03:26:03 AM »
Part 1 Pg 7
Regimental Sergeant Major Henry Coates MC 9369

RSM Coates� citation in the London Gazette of 18/6/17 refers to the award for �Conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He was largely instrumental in
Part 1 Pg 7
Regimental Sergeant Major Henry Coates MC 9369

RSM Coates� citation in the London Gazette of 18/6/17 refers to the award for �Conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He was largely instrumental in getting three wounded officers into safety under heavy fire.  He set a splendid example throughput under very heavy fire.� It is assumed these took place at Heninel in April 1917.  Henry was commissioned and survived hostilities.  He was married with three daughters and returned to Salford Police.
Part 1 Pg 7
Regimental Sergeant Major Henry Coates MC 9369

RSM Coates� citation in the London Gazette of 18/6/17 refers to the award for �Conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He was largely instrumental in getting three wounded officers into safety under heavy fire.  He set a splendid example throughput under very heavy fire.� It is assumed these took place at Heninel in April 1917.  Henry was commissioned and survived hostilities.  He was married with three daughters and returned to Salford Police.
three wounded officers into safety under heavy fire.  He set a splendid example throughput under very heavy fire.� It is assumed these took place at Heninel in April 1917.  Henry was commissioned and survived hostilities.  He was married with three daughters and returned to Salford Police.
hiya tim
RSM henry coates was a sgt in salford police,lived at 1 wilmslow st,salford,as well as helping the three officers he also helped to re-organise the battalion HQs against enemy attacks,you are correct about the date of his MC,it was for the attack at heninel on 23rd april 1917,he was commissioned a 2/Lt from the 6th OCB at worcester college on 27-11-17 into the royal welsh fusiliers[his old regt],he died in salford in 1924 aged 44
one of the medal ribbons hes wearing,is the china medal,clasp for relief of peking 1900 with the 2nd RWF

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