1/5 Bn Gallipoli

[GT]

I have in my possession a 1914/15 star belonging to a Wigan lad, 947 Cpl William Moss 1/5th Bn. He was KIA at Gallipoli, buried Redoubt Cem, Helles.

Does anyone know if any research has been done on the background of 1/5 Bn soldiers who died at Gallipoli. If not I will start off from scratch and build up a data base. Give me something to do other than go shopping with the missus at Morrisons, now the football season has ended.

Cheers

GT

[Robert Bonner]

GT.
That sounds an excellent idea.  I don't believe that anyone has tackled the Wigan battalion in that way before.  It should certainly help to keep you out of the supermarkets.
Robert

[GT]

Hi Robert

If I get stuck I know where to find the experts for advice.

Graham

[harribobs]

Redoubt Cemetery

[GT]

Ta harribobs thats a start.

GT

[mack]

1/5th manchesters buried or known to be buried in redoubt cemetery

pte 2169 william bennett,63 platt lane,wigan aged 18,miner blundells colliery
sgt 2032 2032 william fowler[C.coy]143 elliott st preston aged 49,DCM winner,SA war veteran,policeman
pte 2364 charles critchley,25 park rd chorley aged 22,bank clerk
pte 1584 john bolton 16 gilroy st wigan,cross,tetley+co,age 18
pte 1577 walter brindle,20 rothay st leigh aged 17,cotton worker,mather lane mill
2/Lt arthur,charles brook,helme edge,meltham,yorks,aged 30,jonas brook+bros[family firm]
pte 1406 john brown,11 baldwin st wigan,age 19,kirkless works
pte 1921 george carr,2 elizabeth st,wigan aged 35,miner,victoria colliery
pte 2415 joseph clitheroe,62 highfield rd,pendleton[transport section]age 18,student[C coy]
pte 1769 joseph dowd[C.coy],19 boundary st,wigan aged 17,shot by sniper,died 20min later,pony driver
pte 2007 peter harrison,7 william st wigan,aged 21,miner,mesnes pit worsley

[mack]

pte 1374 robert hesford,122 newton rd lowton aged 19,baker
pte 2389 eugene,daniel kelly,6 springfield st wigan aged 20,apprentice engineer at corletts of wigan
capt arthur,clive leech,worthington,parbold
cpl 947 william moss,3 ashursts yard,wigan,orrell colliery,age 45[B coy]
CSM 273 walter spencer,8 west bridgewater st,leigh,cotton mill hand,age 37
2/Lt thomas cartmel walker,23 gloucester rd,birkdale,aged 20 member of the walker family of pagefield iron works,wigan
pte 1807 john wilkinson,23 cross st leigh,bedford colliery,age 17
signaller 1562 william winstanley,4 highfield,pemberton aged 20,collier,pemberton colliery,he was capt woods messenger and was shot in the back while delivering a message,his pal pte turner helped to bury him
Lt george,sydney james,haigh vicarage,wigan,manager at wigan coal+iron company,aged 22

[GT]

Thanks mack thats brilliant. You have got 947 William Moss's address as well, I can find him on the 1911 census now.

You never fail do you, exactly what records do you have at your fingertips, is it only info on casualties ? It's more than just CWGC or Soldiers Died in the Great War records.

Every so often I contribute to Past Forward, Wigan's local heritage magazine. I am writing a piece at present about my grandfathers great war time experience.

People are always inquiring about Gallipoli, saying my grandfather or great uncle served there. It's the same on the Wigan World website forum, but no one seems to have much detailed knowledge. I thought if I can do some research I can pass the word about the great Manchester Regt.

Thanks, I'll keep you updated.

Graham

[mack]

died on hospital ships and buried at sea.

pte 3181 john ashcroft,5 Johnson st,lamberhead green,age 21,pemberton colliery,HS formosa
sgt 360 richard baxendale,12 bridge st,tyldesley aged 30,miner,fletcher,burrows,HS formosa
pte 1656 joseph bolton,16 peter st leigh aged 20,miner woodend colliery,HS gascon
pte 1638 tom calderbank,8 mcdonald st wigan aged 21,flagger+slater,HS mauritania
pte 1458 oswald,clifford ditchfield,8 duke st wigan aged 26,miner,wigan coal+iron,HS soudan
pte 1896 robert,edward downham,25 field st wigan aged 19,apprentice coremaker,HS formosa
pte 1309 william duddle[C.coy]95 warrington rd wigan aged 20,miner,fell wounded on 4th june and brought in by his brother pte 1315 henry duddle also of C.coy of 39 kays houses wigan,
sgt 1415 edward horsfield,2 fox st eccles aged 20,quilt weaver,HS tunisian
pte 2640 harry jepson,285 billinge rd,pemberton aged 19,miner pemberton colliery,wounded in the back on 24th july,died on 27th july and buried by the ships chaplain the following day,HS gascon
pte 2509 henry parr,2 gregsons row,wigan rd,leigh aged 33,miner,priestners colliery,HS esmerelda

[mack]

two men died on reaching lemnos,both buried in east mudros cemetery.

pte 3414 john,william sumner,tighe cottage,flixton aged 21,cotton weaver,HS Dunluce castle
pte 2371 william,thomas talbot,67 bedford square,chapel st,leigh aged 31,miner Bedford pit,HS soudan
pte 1844 samuel lawton,12 birch grove eccles,aged 22,warehouseman

four men died at home

pte 1825 james duddy,10 leigh st,wigan aged 18,cotton tenter[wigan cemetery]plate layer,L+Y railway
pte 1958 james france,25 seed st,wigan aged 28,miner[wigan cemetery]miner
pte 556 maurice neale,102 oxford st,leigh aged 40,council labourer[leigh cemetery]died at st.georges hospital london of sickness,leigh corporation highways
pte 3793 robert stanley culshaw,1 moores buildings,frog lane wigan aged 39,didnt serve overseas,died in training[buried wigan cemetery on 19-8-15]miner

[GT]

Thanks mack, it's snowballing now, have you got the other cemeteries as well. I have just started trawling through Lancashire Landing Cemetery on CWGC and found another six 5 Bn casualties.

Graham

[mack]

lancashire landing cemetery.

pte 2197 james boardman,22 william st,wigan,wigan coal+iron saw mills,age 45
capt frederick,seddon brown,mere oaks,standish,wigan aged 31,
pte 1523 ernest chadwick,22 grecian st,eccles,aged 21,calico bleacher
L/cpl 2512 arnold cheetham,13 gladstone rd eccles aged 19
L/cpl 1557 william davenport,107 northumberland st wigan aged 21,clerk w.e deakins
pte 2786 fred fisher,286 north rd Atherton,blakemore bolt works,age 23
pte 1956 albert graham,37 thursby rd,burnley aged 30,joiner wigan rolling mills
pte 1228 george halliwell,27 marsh lane wigan aged 32,mr arthur smith church st mill
pte 2404 henry hessey,44 kempeter st,lower broughton aged 30,motor man
pte 1298 albert,edward jones,91 selwyn st leigh aged 20,cable works
pte 1555 george jones[B.coy]4 trafford rd eccles aged 18,railway worker
pte 2740 edward madden,13 wigan rd,atherton,
pte 1688 herbert mason,3 fairhurst st,leigh aged 21,astley colliery
pte 1474 henry thomas[C.coy],32 deans rd swinton aged 21,worked at patricroft loco sheds
pte 639 robert houghton,108 scholefield lane wigan aged 37,wigan coal+iron slag yard

[mack]

lancashire landing cemetery

pte 1497 charlie rawlinson,78 barlow st patricroft aged 21,post office sorter
pte 2117 alfred rothwell.new carr farm,leigh,miner ackers+whitley+co,age 24[D coy]
pte 2278 herbert smith,52 paradise st,eccles aged 20,
pte 1266 george smith,45 bottling wood,wigan,age 21
pte 1290 richard,kellette sumner,56 dicconson lane wigan,aged 31,alexander pit
pte 2435 ralph duckworth,32 bridgewater st,newtown,aged 31,miner

[nicko576]

Hi GT
I have been working on something for the 1/5th Manchesters. One day I will finish it.
This is what I have on Pte William Moss.
Private William Moss
Age: 45
Died: 4th June 1915
Cemetery: Redoubt Cemetery, Helles
William was a married man, living with his wife at 3 Ashursts Fold, Brook Lane, Lamberhead Green, Wigan. He was well known around the local area, he had previously served 21 years in the Royal Irish Rifles, and fought in the Boer War receiving the King's and Queen's South African medal with clasps. He also played for Pemberton Rugby Football Club. William had said he would rather die on the battlefield than down a pit, unfortunately this fatal preference was granted during the charge.
Check out a website I did about the local men of St Matthews in Highfield who are remembered on the memorial.
www.stmatthews1914-1919.yolasite.com. A couple of the men mentioned by Mack are on there.
rgds
Nick 

[Robert Bonner]

Graham.
It looks as if you are off to a flying start and we all look forward to the final result.
Robert