Photo Identification

[Willi Tilsley]

Hi All
Is it possible to identify the Regiment and Soldiers in this photo?
Cheers Will

[grimmy]

Definitely Manchesters, but are you sure it's Boer War?

The photographer is Elisha Perigo of 44 Prince Albert Street, Oldham, who also took the following in 1914:

[grimmy]

The number of the first photograph looks like 9281. Assuming the numbers increase in chronological order then it's definitely at least 1914. I've seen a Perigo postcard numbered 9212 which is postmarked July 5th 1914.

[Willi Tilsley]

Hi,
Not sure at all.
The photo was found on thr web and the caption just stated Boer War so I can take your word for the the date.
Pity though as I have no photos from the 2nd Man Reg during the Boer War where my Gfather served.
Thanks Will

[themonsstar]

This is a photograph of a soldiers from the Territorial battalions 6th,7th,8th,9th &10th of the Manchester Regiment, a lot of the battalions when mobilised in August 1914  made their way up to Littleborough, this is possibly why there are some women ( members of the family or girlfriends) in the photograph.

The reason I can be sure of this is the sergeant it the centre of the photograph, is wearing the Imperial Service badge over his right breast pocket, this badge was issued in September 1914 for any serviceman of the territorial force who would take the pledge to serve overseas.


So now we have identified the year of the photograph I will  move this to the World War 1 part of the site

[themonsstar]

The Imperial service badge ( established in 1912)
On joining the Territorials a soldier agreed to be available for home service only and could not be posted overseas unless he volunteered to do so and, even then could only serve in his own unit.  When the threat of war, came in 1914 most of the Territorials soldiers agreed to serve overseas and, thus, became available for Imperial service.  These men were then entitled to wear the Imperial service badge. 

The badge was to be worn above the right-hand breast pocket, the badge was discontinued in 1921 with the creation of the territorial Army.
To qualify for the badge, 90% or more of the unit had to volunteer for service overseas (A.O.3/1910).
The badge was awarded to those who pledged to serve outside the United Kingdom.
Those who did not pledge to serve outside the United Kingdom were weeded out to serve in home service or second line units.

[Willi Tilsley]

Hi,
Thanks for the info I was not aware of the Imperial service badge,
Thanks for the trouble.
Cheers Willi

[harribobs]

[harribobs]

i think i know this photo, i suspect we have soldiers of the 10th batt

[tisgrannie]

Correct Harribob. This is actually my photo. My Grandfather is second in, top row left. Colour Sgt. J Buckley. 10th Bn.
tisgrannie

[tisgrannie]

We do have Dantzig Alley in our War Grave photo section sadly we do not have yours. There are over 1500 Graves listed, we have only 45. There a quite a few Manchesters unforunately.

tisgrannie

[Willi Tilsley]

Hi All,
Thanks for the replies.
Tisgrannie can you ID any of the others?
Cheers Will

[tisgrannie]

Hi Sorry I only know my granddad and he is AKA Gallagher. As harribob states its the 10th Bn. I knew my Gfather served in the Boer War when I submitted the picture to the site I assumed it was relating to that. As the word says ASS U ME. So you have helped me clear that mistake up.
Sorry about not having Granddads War Grave photo but hopefully someone will be going and we can get it for you, if you don't have it yourself. Are you in Oldham??
regards
tis

[tisgrannie]

Have you seen that someone with the name blueblood is in the section. With a pic of your Grandfather.

Photo of 20th batt b coy?

Wasn't sure if you are aware. Your relative is theirs also!!
tisgrannie

[Willi Tilsley]

Hi,
A strange world indeed. My Gfather stayed in SA after the Boer War and married during the Boer War. He died during WW1 1918 serving with the SA Infantry in German South West Africa.
I got a photo from the CWGC.
I live in SA and so I am researching his part in the Boer War hence the interest in your photo.
His service in India is still a blank.
Cheers Willi