Hello - 24th Manchester Regiment

[calamine02]

Hello

This is my first posting, so forgive me if I do anything wrong!  I am searching for information on the army service records for my great grandather, Albert Robinson (1895-1948) and am going around in circles, so if anyone could direct me to the right places to look, I would be very grateful.  He was born and lived in Salford.

This is the information I have:-

- from his marriage certificate dated July 1918: "Soldier, Heaton Park Camp"
- from the birth certificate of his first child in April 1919: "Occupation - Ex-Private, 24th Manchester Regiment"
- I have his medals: The 1939-45 Star;  The Defence Medal;  The War Medal 1939-1945; The Long Service and Good Conduct Medal
- I have one photograph of him and an unknown colleague in Egypt
- I also have a document which was emailed to me by a very distant relative, whom I have never met, (have since lost their email address), it is only a page and the name has been cut off, but there is an army number : 13031342.

Thanks very much.

[Wendi]

Hi calamine02 and Welcome to our Forum !

It's no wonder you are going around in circles, there is certainly something missing ~ lets see if we can help !

Did your Ggrandfather have a middle name and have you found him on the 1901 or 1911 census?

In 1918, when WW1 finished, he would have been 23 and in 1948 when he died 53, so I would have said that, because he has the Defence Medal, it's more lightly that he served at home in WW2 and as you have an Army number, which you think might be his, perhaps it's worth inquiring with the MOD to see if they think they might still hold his service record.

You can contact them via this link http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/ContactUs/ServiceRecordsEnquiries.htm

Wendi 

[calamine02]

Hi Wendi

Thank you for the welcome to the forum!  I have been doing some general family research, but when it comes to military research, I get stuck, so would be very grateful for any help really! 

I am pretty certain my great grandfather did not have a middle name, I have never seen it on any official document. Although he was known as "Chick" for some reason, not sure why.   He appears on the 1901 census, aged 6, father George Robinson, mother Harriet Robinson (nee Boardman), 112 Walnut Street, Higher Broughton.  This is where I got confused - they lived next door to his cousin and family, his cousin was also called Albert, but he was 10 years old on the 1901 census. It was this Albert's WWI records I found on Ancestry, not my gt grandfather's, but I did not know at that point that he had a cousin with the same name. 

My gt grandfather also appears on the 1911 census, aged 16, living with parents, 92 Charlotte Street, Higher Broughton.

I shall go and take a look at the link you have kindly suggested with regards to the Army number I have and thank you very much for your help.

[migky]

I looked on the 1918 absent voter list at both the Charlotte street and the Walnut street but none of your family member are list there then. There was only Lewin Reevesarmy service corps at the 112 Walnut street 1918.
Do you have any later address's for them in Salford i might find them at that i might catch them at 1918?


Migky

[calamine02]

Hi Migky

Thanks for looking that up for me, very much appreciated.  I think, from looking at his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Elsie Anderson in July 1918 which states she was living at 70 Marlborough Road (and he was at Heaton Park Camp) and then looking at the birth certificate of their first child in April 1919 which says they were still at 70 Marlborough Road, Hightown, then it may be safe to assume that that was where they were at.  I do know they lived at 2 Mary Street, Higher Broughton in 1924.  I have attached the only documentation I have, just in case it sheds any light and I have not confirmed that it is definitely my gt grandfather yet,( but I have been told it is), having said that, it looks like this is from WWII.  I cannot make out what the majority of it says apart from one or two words, which look like, to me, HM Prison, Norwich(?)   

thanks for your help,

[Wendi]

Hi again !

That paper, although I can't really read it all (it does not magnify too well) certainly bears out the Egypt connection.

Wendi 

[mack]

hiya cal.
could you post a copy of the photo that you have of your gt grandfather,it may help us narrow things down.

this man may be your gt uncle
pte 9806 thomas anderson
enlisted 4-9-14
aged 19
18th manchesters
worked for blakely+bevin 2 fairfield st,manchester as a maker up
parents thomas+mary,alice,82 rutherford st,longsight
elder brother alexander
married miss rosannah mills at st.clements church,salford on 10-2-1918
resided 35 lowcock st,broughton
for some reason,he registered his vote in 1918 from 70 marlborough rd,salford

mack

[Wendi]

Mack I don't think that is him  wrong parents 

He appears on the 1901 census, aged 6, father George Robinson, mother Harriet Robinson (nee Boardman), 112 Walnut Street, Higher Broughton. 

My gt grandfather also appears on the 1911 census, aged 16, living with parents, 92 Charlotte Street, Higher Broughton.

It'd be great if we could crack this for calamine 

Wendi 

[mack]

hiya wendi.
i thought he could have been the brother of pte robinsons wife elizabeth[nee anderson]

mack

[mack]

hiya cal
ime not so sure that the document is your gt grandfather,you have his long service and good conduct medal,but on this document,the man in question was convicted of stealing army stores and given 30 days hard labour,his LSGC medal would have been forfeited

mack

[calamine02]

Hello Wendi & Mack

Here is the photo of my gt grandfather (he's on the left). I do not know who the gentleman is on the right, but it does look like it could be Egypt!  I do have a great uncle Thomas Anderson, born about 1895 who was the brother of Albert  Robinson's wife, Elizabeth Elsie, but his parents were George and Mary Alice Anderson.  I know quite a bit about that part of my family because this Thomas was famous (in his day), even more so his elder brother, so I can't work out who the Thomas is that you have found and have been trying to find a connection.  

Cal

[mack]

hiya cal.
could you post a copy of the photo that you have of your gt grandfather,it may help us narrow things down.

this man may be your gt uncle
pte 9806 thomas anderson
enlisted 4-9-14
aged 19
18th manchesters
worked for blakely+bevin 2 fairfield st,manchester as a maker up
parents thomas+mary,alice,82 rutherford st,longsight
elder brother alexander
married miss rosannah mills at st.clements church,salford on 10-2-1918
resided 35 lowcock st,broughton
for some reason,he registered his vote in 1918 from 70 marlborough rd,salford

mack

sorry cal.
i made an error,his parents were george+mary,alice

mack

[calamine02]

Hi Mack

No problem, I am glad you have discovered this for me because now I need to go away and find out who Alexander is because I thought I had all the siblings done and correct and I don't know who he is!!  Also, I thought it would've been strange for my gt grandfather to have been awarded a Good Conduct and Long Service medal if he had been convicted for stealing, so I think I shall discount that document now.  Thanks v much  

Cal

[Wendi]

hiya wendi.
i thought he could have been the brother of pte robinsons wife elizabeth[nee anderson]

mack

Sorry Mack 

[mack]

hiya wendi.
i thought he could have been the brother of pte robinsons wife elizabeth[nee anderson]

mack

Sorry Mack 

no apology necessary wendi,i made an error,thanks for pointing it out,[to much african lager]

mack