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Lt. Henry (William) Gray
« on: January 23, 2008, 05:47:37 PM »
Son of James Gray and Sarah.  Served in the 28th Lancashire Rifle Volunteers (L.R.V.) 1860 - 1864, when the 28th disappeared he transferred to the 33rd LRV (Alnwick).  He appears to have left the regiment later that year.  In the army lists the 28th are subtitled the 2nd Manchester and there is no reference to any Irish connection but in the early years of the Volunteer Movement units were changing their names frequently.

Lt. Henry Gray was apparently presented to Queen Victoria for founding the Manchester Irish Fusilliers... but this could be little more than family folklore.

Can anyone offer me any more advice about how to find out more about this regiment at this point in time ?

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Re: Lt. Henry (William) Gray
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 07:12:06 PM »
hi tsumkwe

and welcome

the 33rd LRV did indeed envolve into the 20th, then the 5th Vol Battn which later became 8th (TF) Manchester Regiment. i shall have a look at our volunteer bttn information to see if he's mentioned


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Re: Lt. Henry (William) Gray
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 12:22:58 PM »
The 28th had an Irish Company but it was not a success.   I believe that some of the enthusiastic Irish supporters later enlisted into what became the highly successful Liverpool Irish.

On 10 February 1864 the Ardwicks absorbed the 28th Lancashire Rifle Volunteers (2nd Manchester) who had found it impossible to continue financing their own operation. Lieutenant Colonel Deakin, commanding officer of the 28th, was appointed Honorary Colonel of the Corps, which now consisted of fourteen companies.

Senior officers had a good deal of freedom in the training of their men. Major Porteous, who had been one of the officers transferred over from the 2nd Manchesters in 1864, not only had wealth but also a great sense of humour, which at times found extraordinary expression.  On one occasion he chartered a steamer, took his company over to Ireland and marched all the way to Sligo.  On route he saw a coffin that appealed to him; he ordered two of the same, kept one in his greenhouse for future personal use and sent the other to his father as a birthday present.

I think the family reference to Queen Victoria probably relates to the occasion on 28 May 1864 when she reviewed the Volunteer Force at Hyde Park.I doubt that Lieutenant Gray was singled out for any praise.

More successful was the Manchester Scottish Company, originally the 78th Corps and then incorporated into the 33rd Ardwicks. The patriotic Scots continued for the next 40 years to try to establish a Scottish Volunteer Battalion but the War Office refused to allow this.  There is a uniform of the Manchester Scottish Company in the National Army Museum in Chelsea.