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Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« on: January 18, 2008, 08:14:27 AM »
In my research of the 6VB oldham volunteers during the Boer war I keep coming across men from the St John Ambulance who went out from Oldham to South Africa.
I seem to remember on the old forum that somebody had information about them, maybe a list of the men who went to South Africa. Is this list available?
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 09:30:00 AM »
i seem to remember seeing it in 'amateur soldiers' i think, if no one beats me to it, i'll have a look tonight
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 12:03:50 PM »
i seem to remember seeing it in 'amateur soldiers' i think, if no one beats me to it, i'll have a look tonight

your right chris.
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2008, 04:59:00 PM »
hmm  i can't find it  :(
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2008, 05:04:58 PM »
although i have found a list of oldham men serving in the ambulance section in Roberts 'volunteer battalions  of ashton'

i'll ask before i post it ;D
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2008, 08:07:59 PM »
Hi I remember now it was wombat that mentioned the St John Ambulance. I'll drop him a line.
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2008, 08:12:58 PM »
Hi Iain and harribob I have dropped wombat a message.
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2008, 09:11:13 PM »
many thanks for your help :)
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 10:46:25 PM »
Hello,

Thanks for the message tizgrannie.

Yes I do specialise in St. John Oldham Corps (Boer War).  Are there any names you particularly require?

There were 127 St. John Ambulance Volunteers, plus 2 Admin who only received their Bronze St John Medal for Service in South Africa. They were the second largest contingent sent, outside London. 

Also there were 20 Police/Firemen as it was a combined job in those days, but there are only 3 identified so far out of the 127. 

The police didn't like to recruit men from the same area they had been brought up in, or were living in. So they would recruit from OTHER area's. These volunteers would often go out to South Africa with the volunteers from the area they came from, and not Oldham where they were working.

There is a VB Plaque with three St. John Men Named, but as yet I have not traced which unit they went with, they are not included in the 127 that I have found so far.

There is also another name on the VB plaque "J. J. Shackleton"  under R.A.M.C. Who is actually one of the 127 Oldham Volunteeers.

I am trying to put a book together on the history of the St. John Oldham Corps Volunteers for the Boer War, so if anyone needs information on an individual, I will be more than happy to help , if I can. 

If anyone has any information that will help my efforts, I would be more than happy to hear from you.

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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2008, 10:52:01 PM »
well done wombat,  welcome back  ;)
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2008, 11:09:56 PM »
Thanks harribobs, its always good to be amongst friends :)

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2008, 07:22:27 AM »
Welome back wombat especially at someones hour of need.
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2008, 10:56:28 AM »
i seem to remember seeing it in 'amateur soldiers' i think, if no one beats me to it, i'll have a look tonight

they are on pages 257+258 chris,but it only lists 3 st.johns men
t.bennett
h.hollins
j.s lees

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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2008, 09:15:49 PM »
Hi Wombat

I was hoping to find out a bit of information on the three men from the 6VB who went out with the St John Ambulance, where they served etc. There names were Privates T Bennett, H Hollins & J S Lees.

A large detatchment of the Oldham Ambulance men we given a big send off by the town of Oldham when the first batch of 6VB men under Lt Bamford left for South Africa in May 1900.

extract from newspaper report:
'the crowd greeted the men of the Oldham Volunteer battalion of the Manchester Reg preceding the heroes of the evening. Custom had evidently not shaken the eagerness of the townsfolk to join in such a demonstration. It was a happy arrangement which enabled the men comprising Oldham portion of the reserve half company for active service formed by the Oldham and Ardwick volunteer corps to leave the town in company with the latest and largest detachment of Oldham St John AB men for the fighting line and men whose mission is to help and succour the sick and wounded, were joined together here as they are joined on the field, Oldham has now sent 66 St John AB men to the front. Nothing could be seen but a vast see of faces covering High St, Yorkshire St and stretching right up the walls of the Old church'
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Re: Boer war - Oldham St John Ambulance
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2008, 05:01:03 AM »
Hello Iain,

There were several smaller St. John Ambulance Corps on the outskirts of Oldham, such as Royton, who sent six volunteers to South Africa. The medals for these six are all named to Royton Corps, and not Oldham Corps. So you can see the difficulty.

I can help you with two, but have no trace of Bennett with the Oldham Corps. 

You will need to try and see if there are enlistment papers for him, to confirm a district or obtain an address.  If not you could try the 01 Census (if you haven’t already).  If you can be sure of the area, you may be lucky with a local newspaper article confirming which St. John Corps he belonged to.  The Oldham Chronicle sometimes gave name, address and occupation.

For example: 

J.J. SHACKLETON is on the 6thVB plaque as R.A.M.C.

411  Ord.  J.J. Shackleton.   Bars:  NTL.  TVL.   01.  The 01 bar was issued 26.4.04.
He served with No.7 General Hospital – PRETORIA.
His St. John Bronze Medal for Service in South Africa is named to the Oldham Corps, so he must have been a St. John Volunteer first, who stayed on or went back for further service with the R.A.M.C.  His QSA would be named to the R.A.M.C.

Sgt. F. HOWARTH.  R.A.M.C.  (6th VB plaque) Is also St. John Oldham Corps.

1545   Ord.   F.  Howarth.  Bars:  CC.
He served with No1 General Hospital. – WYNBERG, CAPE COLONY.

To obtain this sort of information you need a Service Number to avoid confusion with men of the same name, different corps.

The two men I can help you with are Hollins, and Lees.

H. HOLLINS.

1471   Ord.   H. Hollins.   Bars:  CC.  O.F.S.  02.
He served with No4 General Hospital – MOOI  RIVER.
He later joined E Div. South African Constabulary. (E3042)  SAC 4.5.01 – 31.5.02.

S.J. LEES.

There are two Oldham men:  1188   J. LEES   and   577   S. LEES.
There is some confusion as to whether these two are one and the same - S. J. LEES named on the plaque.  I am still working on this one.

If it can be shown that J.S.LEES (on the plaque), was married at the age of 25 years, when he left for South Africa, and  later had two daughters, one called Agnes, the other with the initials D.J. Lees, then he is the two men listed separately as 1188 J. LEES and 577  S. LEES   Oldham Corps.

As you can appreciate, trying to track this sort of information in the UK, from Tasmania, can be a bit of a problem.  But if these two can be shown to be the ONE man, S. J. LEES, and I am very certain they are, there is a nice little story to go with him.

(I hope all this has interested you Iain).
 
Let me know how you go on, and if I find anything else I will get back to you.

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