Home for battered memorial sought !!!!

[davesmum]

Hi I don't know if this is the right place to post this ,but I've just been on a family history forum and found this -Home for battered memorial sought -it's been found abandoned in a scrap yard in Greater Manchester and contains the name of 60 men from around the Manchester area that were killed .Can anything be done on here about it ?

davesmum

[george.theshed197]

Second attempt - I am surprised that there has been no apparent response to this query so far - I would imagine that The Museum of The Manchester Regiment at Ashton would indeed be very interested in this item.
Which site was this information on please??
George.

[davesmum]

Hi George ,I found it on the British Genealogy site ,I know it as the Brit Gen forum .It looks as though the original item was part of the BBC News .

davesmum

[davesmum]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8324663.stm

Just noticed the item can be emailed ,who would I email it to please ?

davesmum

[pete th]

The BBC article doesn't really help to place the memorial. I've sent an email to the War Memorial Trust to see if they can provide a list of casualties on the memorial. If we have the names we'll be able to work out the common denominator, e.g. if they all worked for the same company or came from the same area.

The BBC article mentions Trafford Park. I worked at GEC in Trafford Park for 25 years (Metrovicks at the time of the Great War). The works were gradually closed and demolished in the late 90's/early 2000's and the works war memorial is now at St. Anthony's Centre Eleventh Street, The Village, Trafford Park, Greater Manchester, M17 1JF. If the war memorial was a works memorial, which is likely, perhaps St Anthony's is the appropriate place for it?

Cheers
Pete

[davesmum]

Hi Pete Th ,I hope that the War Memorial Trust get back to you ,can you let me know what happens please .Is St Antony's a church local to where the memorial was found ?

davesmum .

[mack]

these are some of the men on this memorial

11819 robert bowker,lived in clitheroe
200402 joseph,samuel clarke,lived in clitheroe
1441 joe durham,lived in clitheroe,buried in clitheroe[st josephs]cemetery
3996 thomas alston,lived clitheroe
1697 dixon alston,lived clitheroe[they were brothers]
2762 e.p rawlinson,lived clitheroe[27 victoria st]
13581 richard aspin,lived clitheroe
1692 james fell,lived clitheroe[he and dixon alston were both in the same battalion of the KRRC,thomas alston was also in the KRRC]
1426 james loynd,lived clitheroe[also KRRC]
51899 c.park,lived clitheroe

37035 william,arthur deakin,63 bridgeoak st,cheetham
19235 mark maley,13 sutton st,ancoats
18338 joseph henry mooney,5 clito st,moston[buried moston[st joseph]cemetery
20558 james,joseph mcguire 7 cato st,oldham rd
13519 james henry murphy,16 sharston st,harpurhey
2843 charles edward thurgood,56 grant st,blackley
37964 samuel lymer turner,41 parkfield ave,rusholme
353113 james burt,lived middleton
3040 thomas henry fagan,collyhurst,buried moston[st joseph]cemetery

at least another ten lived within a mile or so of the above manchester men

these two,have no connection to manchester or clitheroe
24263 harry newhall,born,bred,lived and married in altrincham
17962 g.a tatler,born,bred and lived and married in crewe

three of these mens occupations were,clerk,builders labourer and french polisher,so its not a works memorial

mack

[pete th]

The War Memorial Trust got back to me with the following names:

Name   Initial   Regiment      
Allen   A   Manchester Regiment
Allen   G   Welsh Regiment   
Alston   ?   King's Own Royal Rifles
Alston   T   King's Own Royal Rifles
Ashton   W   11th Lancashire Fusiliers
Aspin   R   Scottish Rifles   
Bowker    R   East Lancashire Regiment
Burt   J   16th Lancashire Fusiliers
Casey   E   Border Regiment   
Clarke    T   118th Brigade   
Cross   G   Kings Liverpools   
Davies   J   East Lancashire Regiment
Deakin   WA   Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Dunn   T   Kings Own Royal Lancashire Regiment
Durham   J   East Lancashire Regiment
Fagan   T   Manchester Regiment
Fell   J   King's Own Royal Rifles
Gibbons   A   Royal Engineers   
Hamilton   G   Manchester Regiment
Heanagan JP   Lancashire Fusiliers   
Hitchin   T   Coldstream Guards   
Hullard   P   East Lancashire Regiment
Hutchinson B   3rd Lancashire Fusiliers
Laventry   J   Lancashire Fusiliers   
Leach   E   East Lancashire Regiment
Loynd   J   King's Own Royal Rifles
Maguire   JJ   Kings Own Royal Lancashire Regiment
Maley   M   South Lancashire Regiment
McCormick M   Lancashire Fusiliers   
Mooney   JH   21st Manchester Regiment
Muldoon   M   4th Manchester Regiment
Murphy   JH   Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Newhall   H   Kings Shropshire Light Infantry
O'Brian   D   2nd Manchester Regiment
Park   C   Manchester Gun Corps
Ralphs   H   6th Manchester Regiment
Rawlinson E   East Lancashire Regiment
Seymour   W   Queens Royal West Surrey Regiment
Tayler   GH   Cheshire Regiment   
Taylor   J   Army Service Corps   
Thomas    W   Royal Engineers   
Thurgood   CE   Royal Lancashire Regiment
Tucker    T   Grenadier Guards   
Turner   SL   Manchester Regiment
Wainwright SL   2nd Manchester Regiment
Williscroft W   16th Lancers   
Withers E      4th Royal Scots   
Wright   G   Royal Scots   
Young   W   Manchester Regiment

Cheers
Pete

[kingo]

Of the 49 names listed above-I can find 34 of them listed with the same Surname and Initials in the Co-Operative Wholesale Society's Roll of honour. Surely more than just a coincidence  .

[kingo]

Make that 37. One of the men listed Pte Michael McCormick is annotated against his name "Killed".

Pte Michael McCormick, 1st Bn Lancashire Fusiliers. KIA 25/4/1915 aged 36. Commemorated on the Helles Memorial.

Its Got to be a Co-op Memorial !.

[Wendi]

Surely more than just a coincidence  .

Got to be hasn't it !!!

Just of the record I Pm'd davesmum my email address, I'm so chuffed she found this !!!

Wendi 

[kingo]

There's some speculation on t'other forum that they were shopfitters working for the Co-op. Sgt Joseph Mooney, 21st Bn KIA 19/4/1917 gives his occupation as a French Polisher. Can't fit a shop out without a french polisher to buff it up after you have finished   .

[mack]

b.hutchinson was 2/Lt bert hutchinson,he was a short hand typist,lived the george hotel,radcliffe,his family later moved to 160 water st,radcliffe
pte 30870 peter hulland[not hullard]lived at 8 union st,clitheroe
pte 235974 ernest leach lived at 42 stowell st,weaste
6063 michael mccormick lived at 5 queens rd,littleborough
771 daniel o.brien was from manchester

theres no such name as laventry in any census or military records

its definately a co.op memorial,BUT who is it honouring,if it was a single works memorial,then it must have been a huge place,49 dead from one works is a lot of men.

i wonder if the co.op have any records from that period,it might be worth e.mailing them,ime certain they will be pleased about it being found

mack

[kingo]

Got to be this one !

http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/conMemorial.45361/fromUkniwmSearch/1

Found by GWF member Salfordian.

[mack]

Got to be this one !

http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/conMemorial.45361/fromUkniwmSearch/1

Found by GWF member Salfordian.

its a perfect match,the description of their lost memorial is an exact match for the one found at old trafford,great work folks

mack