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beeblebrox

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john lockley
« on: December 03, 2007, 11:02:17 PM »
Hi everybody,

I have been researching my family tree and have found out my great grandfather John Bright Lockley died in the First World War serving with the 95th Machine Gun Company. I recently obtained his service records and these show he joined the Manchester Regiment in 1898 and fought in South Africa. I went to the library in Ashton and found him on the 1901 muster roll for the Second Battalion (in G company). His service number was 2771.

What is the best way to find out any more information on him?

Thanks

Chris Lockley

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 11:17:01 PM »
Welcome Beeblebox. This is the CWGC listing. Do you have the family on the 1901 census?
The folks on here will probably help you with the Boer war info.




Name:
LOCKLEY, JOHN BRIGHT
Initials: J B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Company Quartermaster Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps (Infantry)
Unit Text: 95th Coy.
Age: 37
Date of Death: 05/04/1918
Service No: 7733
Additional information: Son of David Alfred and Ann Elizabeth Lockley; husband of Mary Lockley, of 12, Granville St., Regent Rd., Salford, Manchester.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 5. 23.
Cemetery: LES GONARDS CEMETERY, VERSAILLES

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Re: john lockley
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 11:27:52 PM »
Thanks Tisgrannie

I have his family on the 1901 census living in Lower Broughton, Salford but John is not on it, I think this is because he is in South Africa. My mission is to try and find out as much about his army service as I can. He served with the Manchester Regiment from 1898 to 1910 and then rejoined in 1914 but was transferred to 95th the Machine Gun Company.

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Chris Lockley 

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 11:44:56 PM »
hi chris

welcome to the group

i'm afraid the boer war isn't really my field, but to add to the picture, here's his soldiers died record



looking at this and the information on his medal index card, ie

Description     
Medal card of Lockley, John
Corps   Regiment No   Rank
Machine Gun Corps    7733    Colour Serjeant
Manchester Regiment    4/2771    Colour Serjeant
Date    1914-1920
Catalogue reference    WO 372/12links to the Catalogue

it looks like he was recalled to the 4th reserve battalion and then on to the MGC

a middleton lad I see

chris
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2007, 03:46:36 AM »
the address given for his wife on the CWGC is possibly where she moved to after the war,because in 1917/18, 12 granville st,was the home of pte 41506 enoch daniels home service employment coy.

living in the same area around granville st,were these two men.
pte 44250 fred lockley 29 roy st,salford,191st labour coy
pte 360143 george lockley,45 duncan st,salford,area employment coy,formerly pte 4016 kings own royal lancasters.

its possible that CQMS lockley was still living in middleton when he was killed.

theres a roll of honour thats just been published about middleton servicemen

mack
ps.welcome to the forum john


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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 05:21:52 PM »
CQMS lockley was born in 1880,at 18 boardman st,middleton.
i think his brother daniel could be this man
pte 9606 daniel,a lockley,worcs regt then ASC
their dad was a worcestershire lad.he was the foreman at the bleach works in broughton.
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Re: john lockley
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 07:45:16 PM »
Unfortunately the only LOCKLEY to appear on the Queens South Africa Medal Roll for the 2nd Bn. The Manchester Regiment is a Private 5421 J. LOCKLEY.  He was awarded the QSA with clasps Wittebergen, Cape Colony & Transvaal and the KSA with 2 date clasps.

This is probably your man but I don't understand the conflict in the service numbers.

If it isn't your man then he could not have served in South Africa at any time in between 1899 and 1902, otherwise he would be on the roll.

Clearly his papers in your possession show he WAS in S. Africa.  Does the service no. 5421 appear anywhere on the papers?
Also can you clarify what the papers say about his Boer War service?

regards

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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 08:54:53 PM »
simon, he would have been given a new servive number in 1914, 2771 being the new one
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2007, 03:27:06 AM »
simon, he would have been given a new servive number in 1914, 2771 being the new one
it looks that way chris
he volunteered in aug 1914.
embarked for france in december 1914
he was in the heavy fighting at neuve chapelle,st.eloi.ypres.loos.vimy ridge.the somme.ancre.arras.messines ridge and cambrai.
he died in No4 general hospital verseille,his unit was on its way to italy at the time
address given in 1920,was 12 granville st.salford.

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Re: john lockley
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2007, 05:32:11 PM »
Thanks everybody,

It is great to find out so much more information in only one day.
I have had a good look at his service record, which is fire damaged and quite hard to read and I can just make out Wittebergen, Cape Colony and Transvaal on one section. So he must have been Pte 5421 J Lockley though I can't see this number in any of the records.

Another question, If anyone can help. Where is the best place to find out exactly what the second battalion did in the South African war.

Cheers

Chris Lockley

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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2007, 06:06:04 PM »
The 2nd Bn.  didn't see much action, certainly not as much as the 1st Bn.
Their service is detailed in the regimental history by Col. H.C. Wylly, now reprinted in softback available on line at all military book dealers.
Capt Robert Bonner, a member of the forum is about to publish a new book on the Manchesters in the Boer War, so it would be worth waiting for that.

(Robert, thats another quid you owe me!)

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Re: john lockley
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2007, 07:25:30 AM »
Sphinx - Any more details on the forthcoming Boer War book? Scope, content, publication date, price, etc.?

David

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2007, 08:03:59 AM »
David,

PM our member Robert Bonner.
I am sure he would like to hear of your interest and collection.

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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2007, 09:52:36 AM »
re the 'rough doing' boer war diary

is that just 1st battalion?
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2007, 12:19:00 PM »
The Wylly book "The Manchester Regiment"

I applied to borrow it from the library in Macclesfield, Cheshire, they sent to Oldham for their copy which was a 1st edition in an awful state with maps etc. still in the back. It had only been borrowed twice on 28th June 1985 and 17th October 1991. Below where the date is stamped it says "If this book comes in  contact with an infectious disease it must be returned to The Medical Offiocer of Health, St. Martins House, Chester and not to the library."

I have ordered a paper back copy from W H Smith at �48 for the two books, much cheaper to ask the library - their copy is worth about �200 !

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