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44510 A. CPL. Stanley.Gilbert .Gordon. VINCE - MANC.R
« on: January 23, 2009, 12:01:51 PM »
44510 A. CPL. Stanley.Gilbert .Gordon. VINCE - MANC.R

Am trying to identify my grandfathers Battalion - please see an earlier submission.

Did Battalions have different cap badges? 

Would anyone know what Battalion my grandfather was in from the attached photo circa 1914?
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 12:19:46 PM »
Found his Medal card if you want that?
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 12:43:05 PM »
Hi Migky

Thanks for the offer of Stanley's medal card.  I have already been successful in getting this from the National Archives but it doesn't say very much.  In fact nothing at all about his theatre of war!

I have his 2 brothers medal cards :) as well.   Sydney's medal card (his younger brother) who was an AB Seaman in the RNVR is really comprehensive (to the extent of documentation about his civilian occupation, height, weight, complexion, eye colour, transfer dates, date killed, return of personal effects etc.).  Alfonso (an elder brother) was a Pte in the Suffolk Regiment & his medal card contains more info (date killed in France etc.).

If you would be kind enough to post the medal card you have for Stanley I can then check it is the same as I have.  
Many thanks for your reply.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 02:43:00 PM »
Hi Migky

Thanks for the medal card image.  It is exactly what I have obtained from the National Archives.  It really doesn't say an awful lot but never mind at least I have & can pass on to the Museum both the Victory medal & War Service Medal 1914 -1918 he was awarded for his service in WW1. 

The other medals he was awarded were The Special Constabulary Long Sevice Medal with Bar dated 1939.  This was in recognition for at least 9 years unpaid service with more than 50 duties per annum.  From this it is safe to assume he joined in 1930 & carried on his service throughout WW2.  I can say this because he was awarded the Defence Medal in 1944 - a medal awarded to a person serving at least 3 years at home during WW2 in a civil organisation such as the Special Constabulary.  Other organisations were the Home Guard, Civil Defence, National fire Service.  Apologies if you know this already but other readers may not.

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Re: 44510 A. CPL. Stanley.Gilbert .Gordon. VINCE - MANC.R
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 04:39:48 PM »
44510 A/Cpl

20th Bn Manch Regt. He moved overseas anytime after  1st Jan 1916, has he does not have a 1915 Star.

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 05:07:31 PM »
pte 23429 alfonso vince
12th manchesters[1918]
25 james henry st,salford
listed in salford absent voters register

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 05:19:14 PM »
Thanks themonstar- it's great to find out about my Grandfathers Battalion & that he went overseas in 1916 to fight - hence no 1915 Star.  iI your opinion or to your knowledge would this tie in with him being in action at the Somme in 1916 & later in Italy in 1917?  If you don't have an opinion or know does the Museum have details of where the 20th Battalion went & when?

Would you be kind enough to visit www.bbc.co.uk/remembrance/wall - to sign in & update Stanley's story there (as an additional memory).  If you don't want to do so just let me know so I can do it.  :) :) :) :) :)   Many thanks again.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 05:25:31 PM »
Hi mack

Thanks for this info - will pass to the Museum for their info/use.  I visit Salford on businees very regularly so will aim to look up his place of residence in the near future - if it has not been re-developed!  Someone may remember him , where he went, or know his descendants.  :) 
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 05:38:32 PM »
Hi mack

Thanks for this info - will pass to the Museum for their info/use.  I visit Salford on businees very regularly so will aim to look up his place of residence in the near future - if it has not been re-developed!  Someone may remember him , where he went, or know his descendants.  :) 
have you tried the salford discussion forum,the folks on there,are great people,they may be able to help.

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 05:48:16 PM »
Hi mack - thanks.

Will discuss with the Museum - they may want to do this instead of me.  After all he is not one of my Vince relatives - just a Vince who no doubt bravely fought in & survived WW1 in a Manchester Regiment Battalion.   If others can enhance his story as well as us it would be fantastic.  I will definitely do what I have said about visiting Salford to hopefully find out more.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 09:30:40 PM »
44510 A. CPL. Stanley.Gilbert .Gordon. VINCE - MANC.R

Am trying to identify my grandfathers Battalion - please see an earlier submission.

Did Battalions have different cap badges? 

Would anyone know what Battalion my grandfather was in from the attached photo circa 1914?

he wasn't in the manchester regiment when that photo was taken, that's a fusiliers cap badge ;)
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2009, 01:20:05 AM »
found this man,is he one of yours
pte 5992 luke vince,18 ariele st,salford
13th manchesters
parents frank+margaret
brothers alphonse+felix
formerly lived at 26 harry st,ordsall
father was a docker,born in france

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Re: 44510 A. CPL. Stanley.Gilbert .Gordon. VINCE - MANC.R
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2009, 11:07:23 AM »
greatgreenbags, to help me out ,on your remberence wall , you have .

YOUR GRANDFATHER  STANLEY G G VINCE A/CPL  MAN REG
HIS BROTHER           SYDNEY  VINCE  ABL ANSON BN
AND BROTHER            ALFONSE WILLIAM VINCE  1ST SUFFOLK REG K.I.A3-OCT-1915 

alfonse was killed at the battle of loos,

the other alfonse vince , luke vince ,  who are they  related to ? tonyrod

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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2009, 11:29:36 AM »
hi harribobs

Thanks very much for the information about the cap badge on the cap my grandfather is wearing - do you have an opinion about which Fusiliers the badge belongs to?  If not any suggestions where I can find out?
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My grandad & his 2 fighting brothers all came from a small village in rural Suffolk.  His elder brother, Alfonso, entered the war in May 1915 (info on medal card) & was killed in October 1915 at Loos in France.  He was in the Suffolk Regiment which makes sense!

My grandads medal card shows no info about his entry into the war but I have been imformed through this forum that he was in the 20th Battalion of the Manchester Regiment & went overseas in 1916.  His medals & medal card definitely have him as a Manchester! 

His younger brother Sydney (from his medal card joined in 1916 - Army Reserve - before being attached to the RNVR Anson Battalion in early 1917) & was killed in October 1917 at Valet Farm in Belgium. 

Could it be that my grandad was in a Fusilier Army Reserve before becoming a Manchester?  I think the photo must have been taken before he went off to fight in 1916 as he looks very proud to be in uniform.

 
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2009, 12:03:22 PM »
Hi mack

Luke Vince (13th Manchesters) of 18 Ariele St, Salford isn't a relative - as far as I know!  Can you send me his medal card for the Museum?

From what you have sent me & from what we have discussed so far I would think his brother was definitely Alphonse Vince (12th Manchesters)  - last known at 25 James Henry St, Salford.  Also not a relative as far as I know!  I have his medal card alongside Alfonso's - also for the Museum.

If these 2 Vinces were brothers (with parents Frank & Margaret & another brother, Felix, all resident at 26 Harry St, Ordsall) the Museum of Manchester Regiment will probably want to know more or even set wheels in motion to find out what themselves. 

For example did Felix enter WW1 in a Manchester Regiment?  Do you know & if so can you find & send his medal card to me for the Museum please.

I will definitely go these 3 locations when next in Manchester & will let you know what I find out.  Perhaps we are related so wouldn't that be amazing!!  If more of interest will involve the Salford Forum as you suggest either through me or the Museum.

Through research of my grandad I have contact now with a cousin Tim Vince.  We plan to meet up soon.   Alfonso Vince (my grandfathers elder brother)was his grandfather.  :) :) 

 
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