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Offline TomP

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Assistance with Research - Pte. Robert Smith - Service No. 1639
« on: February 12, 2024, 02:22:57 PM »
Good Afternoon all

I am trying to carry out as much research as possible on a soldier who's medals I am currently the custodian of. I enclose an image below of a display I have made to honour his service.

I started with next to nothing beyond his service number from his MIC. Through the help of the GWF (who have since pointed me in the direction of this excellent forum) I have been able to establish the following:

- Robert enlisted in 1909 and landed in France in July 1915. His Service Number was 1639.
- According to the 1914/15 Star Medal Roll he was a member of the 2nd Battalion Manchester Regt.
- He was wounded in 1916 badly (GSW to face according to pension records). I am told he is listed in the Times 15 May 1916 Casualty list but I do not have access to this online record.
- He later transferred into the Labour Corps - according to the Service No. records this would be between June-September 1917.
- His Service No. in the Labour Corps was 330219.
- He was then discharged in April 1918 as unfit for service (based on what I've found already seems to be the long term effect of the GSW to face in 1916).
- His Silver War Badge number is 344118 (unfortunately I am not the custodian of this).


Is there anything else at all the forum would be able to assist me with discovering about this chap? Whether that relates to him being in the 2nd Battalion/in the regiment generally or even his wartime service as a whole? I dream of being able to locate a photo of Robert but consider this a bit of a pipedream.

Thanks in advance for any help
Tom


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Re: Assistance with Research - Pte. Robert Smith - Service No. 1639
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2024, 02:26:02 PM »
Howdy
From his pension card, he was born in 1891
Married
I lived at 7 Victoria Road, Wardleworth, in Rochdale.
Discharged., April 3, 1918
The medal has 301 & 266 stamped on the top. This could be the company he served with in the Labor Corps.
There is a capital B in the top right-hand corner.
There were sets of dates of when the BW&V medal was issued. Your man has a number 2 in his pensil by his name. His medal was issued along with 5406 others; the issue voucher number is 76/13, and it is dated January 27, 1921.
Regarding his military service,. The casualty list is dated May 15, 1916; however, the war diary is missing April 15, 1916. Here is a summary of the first two weeks of May 1916.
The battalion is in billets at Pierregot. They took part in a tactical scheme (rehearsals) under a Divisional Commander on May 1 and 4.
5th May: Left Pierrgot at 1400 hrs., marched to Warloy, arriving at 2000 hrs. They took over billets from the 16th Bttn. Highland Light Infantry.
6th May. 2000hrs, left Warloy, marched to Aveluy and took over billets from 16th Northumberland Fusiliers. A and C companies moved into tunnels at the Crucific Corner.
7th and 8th May. Battalion at Aveluy, B & D Billited A and C at crucifix corner. Enemy shell Aveluy, one man wounded by shrapnel (slight).
9th and 10th May. Same situation as above. Late on the 10th, we carried out a sub-section relief in Authville. The relief began at 2000 hours, relieving the 19th-century Lancashire Fusiliers. A reconnaissance party under Lt. H.R. Tomblin is carried out between 2300 and 0000 hrs.
11th May, Authville: In the early hours of the morning, the trenches are subjected to a heavy bombardment by the enemy. 7 men are killed and 12 men are wounded, including Lt. A.E. Parry
12th May Battalion is in the trenches, and one man is wounded.  A night patrol is carried out by Sgt Whitfield, LCpl. Holt and LCpl. Trivett; they reconnoitre the ground infront of the trenches
13th May. Battalion in the trenches. Two men wounded, including Lt. E. Tanner. During the night, another night patrol goes out. The patrol, consisting of Sgt. McGrane, Cpl. Morgan, and LCpl. Trivett, reconnoitred the ground in front of the Authville subsector. This is carried out from 2030 hours until 0200 hours.
14th May. The 19th Bn. Lancashire Fusiliers relieve the battalion, the relief begins at 2000hrs. A and C companies move into billets at Aveluy, and B and D companies move into Crucific Corner. battalion complete by 2335hrs.
30 reinforcements arrive at all other ranks.
15th, 16th and 17th, situation remains the same - No Change, 2 men wounded on the 17th.
18th May: Battalion moves out and marches back to Warloy; they arrive at 3am on the 19th, taking over billets vacated by the 17th Highland Light Infantry.

One thing to keep in mind is that, from the thousands of service records that i've studied, you will find that the term 'GSW' is often used. In casualty admission sheets, a Gunshot wound is categorized, so you will see GSW VIII, etc. However, in a servicemans casualty card, you will see GSW, but in actual fact, the man wasn't shot; he was hit by a sharpnel pellet from a shrapnel shell. They designated GSW to a shrapnel shot. This is usually rectified later, with the word 'Shrapnel' being added to the man's casualty card.
So Robert may have been one of the 12 men injured on May 11. This will depend on when the casualty return was sent to Brigade HQ. His wound and casualty report in the Times does seem to fit the timeframe.
Working forward: As he was wounded, he would have been moved back to a field ambulance, then to a Casualty Clearing Station. As his unit was now part of the 32nd Division, your search starts there. He would then have been moved back to a military hospital; there were many at this point in time. Once recovered he would have been adminstered by a Command Depot. I'm not 100% positive, but the Command Depot for the Manchesters was located at Heaton Park in Manchester.  He would have been put in front of a medical board and his future decided there. from the medal role, I'd look at 301 and 266 Company Labour Corps, some were agricultural units, some were dockside workers etc. From there he would have been boarded again and his discharge arranged. I hope this helps.

Regards
Ginge

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Re: Assistance with Research - Pte. Robert Smith - Service No. 1639
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2024, 02:26:47 PM »
Attached is a clipping from the Times newspaper.

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Re: Assistance with Research - Pte. Robert Smith - Service No. 1639
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2024, 10:20:02 AM »
Great work Ginge
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Re: Assistance with Research - Pte. Robert Smith - Service No. 1639
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2024, 03:27:40 PM »
Hi Ginge

Sorry for the slow reply, thanks very much for your very detailed assistance.

In terms of 'The medal has 301 & 266 stamped on the top. This could be the company he served with in the Labor Corps. There is a capital B in the top right-hand corner' can you advise what you're referring to, is this a medal roll? I currently have only seen the 1914/15 star roll for Pte Smith.

And regarding 'I'd look at 301 and 266 Company Labour Corps' can you point me to where any of these resources are kept/available?

For the newspaper cutting as well, is this a Casualty column?

Thanks again I really appreciate it!
Tom