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Newly Commemorated Men (CWGC) / Re: 23453 edward loughman
« Last post by Tim Bell on December 20, 2023, 11:49:33 AM »
Edward Loughman's burial at St Joseph's has been adopted as a War Grave yesterday. As he is buried in a common plot, his name will be added to the "Screen Wall" of the Soldiers Plot Memorial.
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Newly Commemorated Men (CWGC) / Re: 13317 john siderfin
« Last post by Tim Bell on December 20, 2023, 11:45:31 AM »
John Siderfin's burial at St Joseph's was adopted yesterday.  As a common grave CWGC say they will be making an inscription on the Screen Wall. I believe they mean the Soldier's Plot Memorial which currently includes inscription for men buried in the grassed area in front. The Memorial doesn't currently include names of men buried elsewhere in the cemetery but I had noted there was space for further inscriptions.
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21st Battalion 6th City / Re: D Company 14 Platoon
« Last post by Jay7165 on December 19, 2023, 02:14:05 PM »
Hi,
First row first left is Francis Knight Cole, 19353 Cole F.K. (my Great Grandfather)
Second row far Right is Harry Wyatt Cole 19354 Cole H.
Third row far right is Richard Cole, 19355 Cole R.A.
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1914 - 1918 / Re: Re: HelloSamuel Bennett 19657 21st Battalion
« Last post by Tim Bell on December 19, 2023, 10:36:23 AM »
Hi Susi,
Samuel trained in XV Pln of D Platoon.  He's included in the photo in this link. Sadly, we don't no which man is which. https://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=4706.msg0#new.
The Silver War Badge Roll shows Samuel enlisted 04/01/1915 and was discharged unfit as a Cpl 19/08/1918, aged 28.
Samuel had disembarked in France as a Pte on 08/11/1915.
He received an Army Pension for a short period after discharge. We don't what disability this was for. Resident 62 Victoria Street, Ashton u Lyne.
Welcome to the Forum. I've moved the thread to 1914-18 to increrase visability.
Tim
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1914 - 1918 / Re: HelloSamuel Bennett 19657 21st Battalion
« Last post by Susijen on December 17, 2023, 01:37:29 PM »
Samuel Bennett 19657 21st Battalion Manchester Regiment. Was my Granddad. He has a full set of medals plus a war badge which I assume was because he was injured (had his toes blown off). I'm new to the forum so have only just started to look around. If anyone can give me any links that may be of interest, I'd be very grateful. Thanks for reading.
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Sgt Joseph Howard 3524434
« Last post by Red W on December 17, 2023, 12:29:44 PM »
Hi, Roy.

As others have said, your grandfather's service records are the best place for details on him as an individual. All I can speculate on is that, as he was a Serjeant, he had seen either regular or territorial service before 1940.

BATTALION
To put him in a wider context, you'll need to find which battalion he served with. I think his number suggests he was a regular - do you know if that's the case? If so, he was likely with the 2nd Battalion, which was in France from 1939 until evacuation in 1940. A C Bell's "History of the Manchester Regiment, First and Second Battalions 1939-1945" will give you a good overview of the campaign.

If he wasn't with the 2nd, then the 5th, 8th (least likely as it sailed for Malta before Dunkirk) and 9th Battalions were also in France at that time. They were Territorial units, so if you think he had another job, are possible.

PHOTOGRAPHS
Always difficult to find these, though you could be lucky via the Manchester Regiment image archive. There are a couple of possible Howards in his time frame:

- Depot (1934) - if a regular. https://manchester-regiment.org.uk/frontend.php?pos=2&action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)MR01045($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1Ib3dhcmQmYWN0aW9uPXNlYXJjaA==

- Depot (1933) https://manchester-regiment.org.uk/frontend.php?pos=3&action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)MR01056($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1Ib3dhcmQmYWN0aW9uPXNlYXJjaA==

8th Bn (1940) - https://manchester-regiment.org.uk/frontend.php?pos=9&action=zoom&keywords=Ref_No_increment;MATCHES;(^|%20+)MR03645($|%20+)&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1Ib3dhcmQmYWN0aW9uPXNlYXJjaA==

MEDALS
For the Second World War service you have outlined, he would have been awarded the 1939-1945 Star and War Medal. At 27, I don't think he'd have been old enough for a long service medal so, unless he spent time in Palestine with 1st Battalion, that could be his full entitlement. Again, the service records will tell you.

Hope that's a help. There's more digging you can do, but you'll need his unit first to make sure that's accurate.

All the best.
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Sgt Joseph Howard 3524434
« Last post by rafboy on December 12, 2023, 10:22:43 AM »
Hi Roy
Further to Tim's reply this is the link for you to apply for your grandfathers service records. It's the official government web site which I suggest you use. Other sites such as Ancestry also provide them  but the government one will ensure you get all there is.
As Tim says the records are being transferred to the National Archive at Kew where they are being digitised which is causing long delays for people wanting them.

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service

You could also post your question to the Manchester Regiment Facebook Group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/44967928106

Sorry I cannot help with any more.
Best of luck.
Cliff
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1939 - 1945 / Re: Sgt Joseph Howard 3524434
« Last post by Tim Bell on December 11, 2023, 05:50:03 PM »
Hi Roy,
The MoD previously provided copies of service records to family members. These are being transferred to THe National Archives and I don't know how to request them at the moment.
I'm no expert on 2nd WW, so not much to add. Sorry.
Welcome to the forum.
Tim
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Newly Commemorated Men (CWGC) / Re: Pte 3405 Charles Melia – 3/10th Bn
« Last post by Tim Bell on December 09, 2023, 05:25:00 PM »
Charles Melia's burial was adopted at Greenacres this week. With a common grave he may have a seperate headstone with the superscript 'buried elsewhere in this cemetery'. CWGC say they are producing a headstone.
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1939 - 1945 / Sgt Joseph Howard 3524434
« Last post by Daybreaklad on December 02, 2023, 05:11:24 PM »
Can anyone please help me with any information regarding my grandfather
Sgt Joseph Howard 3524434 Manchester Regiment wounded June 1940 Dunkirk Died June 4th 1940 Stains Middlesex
Now buried at Hurst Cemetery Ashton under lyne.
My grandmother never spoke about him and my mother was to young when he died
This is all the information I have I don’t have any photos of him or if he was awarded any medals
so any help would be greatly appreciated
Many thanks
Roy
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