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World War 2 => 1939 - 1945 => Topic started by: Bob.NB on February 13, 2018, 04:01:31 PM

Title: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: Bob.NB on February 13, 2018, 04:01:31 PM
I am trying to research the Lt & Qm William Joseph Welch and have so far, with the help of his service papers from the MoD, I have ascertained the following about him:
Born Greenwich, 5 December 1901
Enlisted 2nd Battalion The Manchester Regiment 30 Sept 1920.
Started as a private and moved up (and down) through the ranks until promoted RQMS and then RSM on 13/1/1940.
Served;
Home 30/9/20 to 25/9/21 – 2nd Battalion
India 26/9/1921 to 28/12/32 – 2nd Battalion
Burma 29/10/32 TO 27/12/33 (awarded IGSM “BURMA 1930-32”) – 2nd Battalion
Home 28/12/33 to 12/4/42 (awarded Army LSGC – 1939) – 2nd Battalion. Taken on strength of POW camps and posted to No 2 PoW Camp, Oldham on 3/9/39. Appears not to have gone to France with BEF.
East Africa 13/4/42 to 6/9/43 – Permanent Staff EAC BDC.
1/9/43 discharged from the ranks and commissioned Manchester Regiment – LT & QM.
7/9/43 posted to 46th KAR as Lt & QM.
23/2/44 embarked East Africa for Ceylon.
6/11/44 embarked Ceylon for India.
20/11/44 entered concessional area.
 
Unfortunately I have so far been unable to obtain his officer's papers and have not been able to find Lt & QM Welch in the online Army Lists.
So my questions are:
Has anyone any information on Lt Welch? (I think I have all his O/R service).
The 46th KAR appear to have served in Burma in WWI as did 2nd Manchesters. As Lt Welch's medal group includes a Burma Star did he serve in Burma with the KAR or with the Manchesters?
What exactly was the "concessional area"?

Any further information or suggestions for further research most gratefully received.
Many thanks.
Bob B
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: charlie on February 13, 2018, 04:22:29 PM
Hello Bob,

His surname is written Welsh in the LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36372/supplement/728

Perhaps the spelling has been used in the Army Lists.

No2 PoW Camp would be the Glenn Mill on Wellyhole St.

Charlie

There are 2 photos in the image library http://www.manchester-regiment.org.uk/index.php that he may be on.
MR03584 2nd Bn Football Team, Strensall and MR00973 2nd Bn Sgts Mess India
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: Bob.NB on February 13, 2018, 06:07:58 PM
Charlie,
Many thanks for this - I have to admit I hadn't thought of a different spelling of "Welch".
However, this is the only London Gazette entry that I can find.
In the meantime I've found that 46th (Tanganyika Territories) Battalion KAR was part of 28th East African Brigade which saw some very heavy fighting in Burma in early 1945.
Thanks again.
Bob B
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: Bob.NB on February 13, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
Charlie,
PS Yes I've seen the photos in the regiment's image library but thank you very much.
Bob B
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: Bob.NB on March 02, 2018, 03:03:43 PM
Going through J W Welch's papers I see that in 1935 (when he was a sgt and in India) he attended a course and qualified "Q.I."
Does anyone know what "Q.I." is?
Bob B
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: Bob.NB on March 02, 2018, 03:08:11 PM
Sorry, he wasn't still in India - he was back in the UK at Strensall.
Apologies.
Bob B
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: sphinx on March 02, 2018, 04:06:23 PM
I believe QI means "Qualified Instructor".

regards
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: george.theshed197 on March 02, 2018, 06:17:04 PM
CORRECT
 
George
Title: Re: Lt & QM William Joseph Welch
Post by: Bob.NB on March 03, 2018, 01:11:27 PM
Sphinx and George,
Very many thanks for this - this seems to fit in perfectly.
Thanks again and best wishes.
Bob B