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Title: Picture
Post by: digeoff on January 14, 2008, 05:34:56 PM
Hello first time on here well second really but I don't think the first message got through I have a picture and was wondering if its of The Manchester Regiment. My Grandfather  is forth from right second row down.His name was Henry Jackson and I believe he was a Sergeant Major don't know any more than that so this really is a longshot hope someone can put me on the right track if its not The Manchesters Cheers Digeoff
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: themonsstar on January 14, 2008, 07:08:09 PM
I would say yes its a Manchester Regt Photo, one of the Territorial force battalions, 5th,6th,7th,8th,9th or 10th.
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Wendi on January 14, 2008, 08:09:33 PM
Hi digeoff and a Warm Welcome to The Forum  ;D

2nd row down from the top, 4th from the right, with the two strips would make him a corporal when the photo was taken. 

Any idea about date?

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: harribobs on January 14, 2008, 08:51:36 PM
after the boer war and before the first, i would say
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Post by: harribobs on January 15, 2008, 08:55:58 AM
did he have any middle names?  or did he survive the great war?

there is a sgt jackson in the medal index cards

Description     
Medal card of Jackson, Henry
Corps   Regiment No   Rank
Manchester Regiment    28789    Serjeant
Date    1914-1920

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3223698&queryType=1&resultcount=6 (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3223698&queryType=1&resultcount=6)
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: digeoff on January 15, 2008, 08:58:39 PM
He never had any middle names I can tell you he was born 1884 and married in 1912 he died I think 1955
your help so far has been very much appreciated is there anywhere else that might be able to help? Thanks Digeoff.
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Wendi on January 15, 2008, 09:07:33 PM
Hi again Digeoff !

Have you got his birth certificate? it might help to isolate the Serjeants from the Serjeant Majors !!!

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: harribobs on January 15, 2008, 09:34:34 PM
He never had any middle names I can tell you he was born 1884 and married in 1912 he died I think 1955
your help so far has been very much appreciated is there anywhere else that might be able to help? Thanks Digeoff.

every bit of information you have will help us, i doubt whether you'll find another collection of manchester regiment enthusiasts anywhere else ;D

where did he live?
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: tisgrannie on January 15, 2008, 10:47:36 PM
Hi and welcome.
As regarding the "picture" I noticed it looks a bit damaged in places. I must say that I have had some great help from the folks on rootschat.com. They have a great section on photo image restoration. Just to tidy up or a bit more. You just send the image on line to them like you have on here.  Lots of people are helping to restore the images that you send. Its a free service. Gives them something to do and improve their skills. Its just a thought to you, as I am sure you would want to preserve the great photo you have!
Its free to join and there are some great folks on there. You might find some of them over on this site too!!!
regards
tisgrannie.
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: digeoff on January 16, 2008, 07:34:40 AM
I do not have his birth certificate he lived in Bradford Manchester later moving to Salford  (Lower Broughton) and then to still salford (Lower Kersal) His fathers name was Thomas and I know very little about him. Thanks again for all you help ps you think the picture is in bad condition you should see the original
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Wendi on January 16, 2008, 08:42:53 AM
Hi digeoff !

I was wondering if you had managed to find him on the 1901 Census, but to narrow that down we might need to know where he was born ?

Just to recap, so far we have:
Henry Jackson b. 1884 son if Thomas Jackson
                    m. 1912
                    d. Abt 1955

Lived Bradford & Salford.

What was your Grandmothers name?

Wendi  :)



Title: Re: Picture
Post by: slob on January 16, 2008, 10:35:34 AM
The only death between 1954 and 1956, that I can find was Qtr1 1955 Salford age 70.
The marriage appears to be Qtr 2 1912 Salford to Mary Francis Bradley.

Dave
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: slob on January 16, 2008, 12:11:19 PM
There is only 1 Henry Jackson,born c 1884, listed  in 1901 with a father Thomas in all England.
Living at Tonge. Father a farmer

There may be others that don't show of course, if he's not living with his father, or mistranscribed.
There are a few more showing up in 1891.

Interestingly, I think it shows up a flaw in the search mechanism for a well known site.
In 1891, if you search for Henry born 1884 +-1, father Thomas, he doesn't appear, but if you search for Thomas, Henry is clearly
there in the family.
Thomas is down as Thos, which is recognised as an alternative to Thomas in the first field, but not when you use it in the 'father' field.

Cheers,
    Dave
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Wendi on January 16, 2008, 02:52:13 PM
Well sussed Dave !

The 1901 Census also lists that Henry Jacksons birth as being in Longworth.  Between 1837 and 1898 a birth in Longworth would have been registered by Bolton Registry Office and of course there is one,

+/- 1 of 1884, but it's in the June Quarter of 1883 ???

Could this be your Henry digeoff?

Wendi  :)

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Post by: digeoff on January 16, 2008, 05:35:12 PM
You people have really been working hard on this one and thanks very much.This is what I have found out on his marriage certificate dated the 25 May 1912 it shows him as being 27 a Rubber Worker living in Sarah Ann Street which is right near if not under Man City's  new ground( and me being a Red) his father was Thomas Jackson (deceased)and he too was a rubber vulcanizer.His wife was Mary E Pennington 23 a Shirt Maker
In the 1901 census he is with his Grandmother Martha Owen and also there is his sister Louisa he is down as 16 and she is 20.
In the 1881 census that shows Thomas Jackson head 24 a smithy labourer
born in Golborne Lancashire his wife Henry's mother was a Mary 20 a cotton weaver born in Aston on Mersey and his sister Louisa born Bradford Lancashire and living in Bradford Lancashire. Hope thats some help Digeoff
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: harribobs on January 16, 2008, 07:37:16 PM

sorry to butt in on the wonderful genealogics  ;D

sorry should we set mack on the avl's for sarah ann street?
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Wendi on January 16, 2008, 08:34:05 PM
good idea harribobs, but I think he may have work commitments at the mo  :-\

I can tell you he was born 1884 and married in 1912 he died I think 1955

I am a bit confused as all points to him being born in 1885 ???

The 1901 census to which you refer is RG12/3763/69/19 and shows this Henry as being born in Bradford.  The same +/- search still shows only one Henry Jackson born 1885 in the quarter to September. 

Once Mack has checked the AVL's I think obtaining the birth cert may be a good idea!

Wendi  :)
Title: Picture
Post by: tisgrannie on January 16, 2008, 11:09:50 PM
I hope you don't mind gang but this is a query I got from a chap from genesreunited. He was seeing if I had a link, as my Grt Grt Grandfather was a Thomas Jackson. I was just going through this link and a couple of names are similar and the location.  Just wondering if there is a connection. I'm sure the chap in question won't mind as I offered to help him.   

""this is most kind of you on the 1881 census I have it says that they were living at 90 Parker Street Bradford Lancashire Thomas being the head of the family Married age 24 a Smithy Labourer born in Golborne Lancashirehis wife is Mary Ellen (nee owen)a Cotton Weaver born Aston on Mersey Cheshire age 20and a daughter Louisa born Bradford Lancashire age 0 on the 1901 census that shows Louisa 20 and Henry 16 Living with their Grandmother Martha Owen hope your keeping up with this lol Henry is the son.On Henry's marriage certificate dated 1912 it shows Thomas Jackson(Deceased)
thats me so far but still trying to trace Henry's life as he was my Grandfather I just wish that my Dad would have talked about him!!

tisgrannie
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: tisgrannie on January 17, 2008, 06:20:31 PM
Well can you believe it gang, its the same chap!!!!!!!! I am posting the email from genes thinking that these two people may have a family connection. Its spooky I have had a few coincidences these last couple of days. The nice man emailed asking if I was tisgrannie.
Fabulous, love it. Same with Cuckoo Passage.
Cheers anyway, we can still help him as you have been doing. we are nice aren't we, on here!
tisgrannie
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Wendi on January 17, 2008, 06:58:17 PM
Small world  ;D
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: digeoff on January 22, 2008, 07:32:19 PM
Hello everyone thought you might like to see the picture now its been on Rootschat Cheers Digeoff
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: timberman on January 22, 2008, 09:16:48 PM
I've seen some of the ones they've done on roots, what they've done with this one is amazing.
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: tisgrannie on January 22, 2008, 10:47:52 PM
Hi digeoff so pleased you put it on roots. Aren't they fabulous at what they do. Its terrific. Well done!
tisgrannie