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The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: ashtonp on January 08, 2009, 01:28:07 PM

Title: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: ashtonp on January 08, 2009, 01:28:07 PM
Hi All,

I need some advice on where I can start to look up my Grandfathers service record. My Grandfather was an officer serving in the Manchesters in WW1. I'm told he reached the rank of Captain and was wounded on the Somme. I don't know his service number and only have his basic details such as full name, DOB, place of birth etc.

I've tried looking for him on the national Archives a few times but can find no trace of him there. Does anyone have any ideas of where to look or start?

Best Wishes,

Paul.
Title: Re: Where do I start?
Post by: saintconor on January 08, 2009, 01:34:47 PM
Hi

If you post what details you do have then I am sure someone will be able to help.

Regards

Conor
Title: Re: Where do I start?
Post by: harribobs on January 08, 2009, 01:41:30 PM
Hi Paul

welcome to the forum

his name would be a great start! ;)

cheers

chris
Title: Re: Where do I start?
Post by: ashtonp on January 08, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
Hi Chris,

His name was John Ashton, from Oldham.....
Title: Re: Where do I start?
Post by: tonyrod on January 08, 2009, 03:10:18 PM
hi paul , and welcome, this his the only one i can find ,

Image details 

Description Medal card of Ashton, John
Corps Regiment No Rank
Manchester Regiment 351008 Warrant Officer Class 2
 
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/1 

if this his him i am sure more info can be found  ,
 hope it helps
Title: Re: Where do I start?
Post by: harribobs on January 08, 2009, 03:40:31 PM
351008 would indicate that he is a 9th battalion man, perhaps Linda can shed some light?

two questions, are you sure he fought on the somme?, do you have an address?

and a third, did he have a middle name?

chris
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: The Colonel on January 08, 2009, 05:10:28 PM
Hi, I only have details of one John Ashton in my records, he was a Private in E Company whose name appears in the enlistments in the Reporter, 1st July 1914.

I have attached two MIC's belonging to John Ashton of the Manchester Regt. Both are 9th Battalion service numbers.
I have also attached a photo - JACK (John?) ASHTON, of the 2/9th Battalion.

In the book Ashton Volunteers, by Robert Bonner, there is a list of officers who were serving during 1917, but the name John Ashton is not listed.

I am awaiting more Ashton Reporter newspaper articles covering 1917 to 1918, once I have those I might be able to help further. At the moment, I'm a bit short on news of the 9th battalion covering those dates.

I've checked on Ancestry.com but could not find a service record for a John Ashton of the Manchester Regt.

The Colonel.

 

   
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: ashtonp on January 08, 2009, 05:12:09 PM
Ok, my Grandfather actually survived that Great War although he was wounded in the right arm by shrapnel. I don't know whether this wound was sufficient enough to be sent home and discharged but I do know it affected his ability to use his arm properly later in life. I was always told by my late father and Uncle that he had fought on the Somme although this isn't definite. I do definitely know he attained the rank of captain and also know that he served as a Major in the Home Guard during the Second World War. This was taken from his obitchuary in the local press when he passed away in the 50's.

John Ashton was the son of James Ashton, who had a large building business in Oldham. The family had been involved in the building of the cotton mills in that area and according to the 1900 census, the family resided at Collier Hill House, Oldham. I'm told that later in life my Great Grandfather James was widowed and then remarried a very wealthy lady who apparently had considerable assets in Oldham and the cotton industry.

I realise it's not much to go on but at the moment that's all I have at the moment, oh and the fact he was 9 years old in the census. I do also have a large photo graph of him in uniform but that’s it as far as military detail goes.
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: tonyrod on January 08, 2009, 05:47:05 PM
hi Paul i am almost sure the man you are searching  his

Description Medal card of Ashton, John
Corps Regiment No Rank
Manchester Regiment 351008 Warrant Officer Class 2
 
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/1 

as your title Say's    captain  JOHN ASHTON   ex wo
                                                                       tonyrod
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: The Colonel on January 08, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
I agree with Tony - sadly I don't have any notes on your John Ashton serving with the 9th battalion.
However, if your John Ashton resided in Oldham and not Ashton-Under-Lyne, Mack might be able to help with information that might have appeared in the Oldham newspapers at the time. As you say, your John Ashton was wounded, so he might have been mentioned in the newspapers. And of course, he might be listed in the absent voters lists too.

The Colonel
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: ashtonp on January 08, 2009, 07:38:53 PM
Thanks to everyone so far but I've just found out he also served in Italy as well as France in WW1. Does this take us anywhere else?

Thank you so much for your help everyone.

Paul.
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: tisgrannie on January 08, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
Hello and welcome, was John Ashton buried in Oldham. Plus do you have the obituary details as you mentioned the Home Guard. Does the photo give any information? Can you upload it at all? I see that you said it was large. Sometimes people have smaller versions. Its just a thought. Do the badges on the uniform have anything on them, numbers etc.
Regards
tisgrannie
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: tisgrannie on January 08, 2009, 07:49:08 PM
Can I ask where you got the Italy info from.
tisgrannie
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: ashtonp on January 08, 2009, 08:20:58 PM
According to his obituary John Ashton saw service in France and Italy and attained the rank of Captain, then during the Second World War he served as a major in the Home Guard. John died 20.03.58 in Clwydfa (name of house), Llanrhaeadr, Near Denbigh, Denbighshire, North Wales.

Also, I've just been told that his middle name was 'Squire', although I need to check this on his grave stone.
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton ( ex WO)
Post by: harribobs on January 08, 2009, 09:45:34 PM

i think we may be going off on a red herring on 9th batt man ::) i was a little dubious when the somme was mentioned, anyway..

from Bill Mitchinson's Cotton Town Comrades

Ashton John  (C of E) single, Napier House, Windsor Rd Oldham. NOK Mrs Ashton (mother) Squire Ashton and Sons, Cheapside, Oldham.

An original officer (in the 24th Battalion) commissioned Feb 1915 2/lt, acting captain 20 July 1916 ( musketry officer) musketry course Allcar July 1916, Joined battalion 11 May 1917 from 37th division,. to france 2-2-1917, former pupil of hulme grammar school ( there's also a photo but my scanner is misbehaving)



Looks like Squire was a family name, I will check the 24th book of honour

chris
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: harribobs on January 08, 2009, 10:01:21 PM

he was the platoon commander of  D company platoon 8

and here he is with his platoon

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/451401839_2pv3s-O.jpg)
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: ashtonp on January 09, 2009, 09:50:22 AM
Chris,

That is amazing, thank you. That certainly looks like him in the photo and he was single at the time too. Is there anywhere else I can find more information on where he served, what actions etc or anything similar? I'm trying to get a copy of the photo some of my cousins have of him so I can at least try and find his service number and find out a bit more.

Thank you so much though, I really am grateful to you all.
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: harribobs on January 09, 2009, 10:39:50 AM
there's a rough potted history of the 24th Battalion on the main site

http://www.themanchesters.org/24th%20batt.htm (http://www.themanchesters.org/24th%20batt.htm)

he didn't have a service number, officers didn't have them

chris
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: grimmy on December 31, 2010, 04:20:06 PM
I know a descendant of Squire Ashton's family, I will attempt to contact her.

Squire's diary is held at Oldham Local Studies Library.
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: Wendi on December 31, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
Nice one grimmy  ;D

Happy New Year !

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: grimmy on January 04, 2011, 10:55:50 AM
Happy New Year, Wendi (and everybody)  :)

I'm waiting for a reply from my Ashton relative, but meanwhile:

John Ashton was born in Blackpool in 1891, son of James Ashton, builder, and Emily Elizabeth. He was one of 11 children (all the rest were born in Oldham).

James Ashton (b.1859, d.22-7-1907) married Emily Elizabeth Short (d. 29-4-1941 aged 78) at Oldham St Mary, 1883. Both were buried in Chadderton Cemetery.

James was the son of Squire Ashton, builder, (1826-1897) who married Mary Cheetham at Prestwich St Mary, 1848. They also had 11 children.
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: ashtonp on January 16, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
Grimmy,

Many thanks. I've had an email from someone who has details from Squire Ashton and the family so I wait in anticipation for the reply. It looks like the family was far bigger than I realised and very wealthy too. It's a shame the money didn't last!

Cheers,

Paul.

Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: Pat lees on September 11, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
I don't know whether it is any help as I do not know anything about John but I am the GGG granddaughter of Ada Ashton his younger sister and have some family information
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: timberman on September 11, 2011, 10:22:08 PM
 Hi Pat lees
Welcome to the forum.
If you look under Ashtonp name there is an icon that is a personal message, if you click on it you will be able to send him a message, just in case he's not picking up messages on his topic.

Timberman
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: grimmy on September 12, 2011, 11:55:30 AM
Hi Pat,

Ada's eldest sister, Emma, married my 2 x Gt Uncle, William Henshall.

There are a couple of Ashton descendants on the forum:

Michael: http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6310 (http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6310)

and Paul: http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=736 (http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=736)

Are you descended from John Ashton Lees?
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: Pat lees on September 22, 2011, 09:11:49 AM
John Ashton Lees was my grandfather, he died in 1974.  He was in the RAMC in the 2nd WW. Pat
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: grimmy on September 22, 2011, 10:30:43 AM
I notice his father, George Lees, was a Professor of Music - not bad for the son of a bricklayer.
Title: Re: Captain John Ashton 24th battalion
Post by: Pat lees on September 22, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
I'm not sure George Lees was that much more than a glorified music teacher!  He did compose music & was a noted harpist I believe.  Pat