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Title: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 16, 2008, 06:47:47 PM
Hi all,

I am trying to research my father who was born in 1936 I have a picture of him in uniform was this his national service?. I have no date this was taken or what the uniform regiment is and hopefully this will be confirmed by you guys. Any info would be gratefully recieved.

Sorry about the quality but heres the pic my father on the left 

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/Steve1112008/DSC00379.jpg

Steve
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 16, 2008, 07:05:52 PM
Sorry forgot to add he was from Salford, 93 Langton St, Seedley
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Fritz Bayer on July 16, 2008, 08:34:42 PM
Can't work out the badge, but being born in 1936, then this picture would most likely be taken between 1954 and 1956.

Have you any more info on him?

Dave.
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: harribobs on July 16, 2008, 08:49:23 PM
Hi Steve

and welcome

i'm afraid i can't make out the badge either! :( but you are able to request a copy of his service records  have a look at this link which will give you the details on how to do it

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html (http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html)

cheers

chris
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 16, 2008, 10:10:05 PM
Thanks for the welcome and I'm afraid I have little information on my father.
The picture is the original so afraid quality not that good.
But i think Daves correct about the year.
The only information I have at the moment is his address at the time,DOB & mother/fathers names.
the badge on the pic seems to be a crown on a ball with possibly a coloured moon shape lying on its back.
Do you know of a site where I could search for badges to try and identify it?

Steve
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: timberman on July 16, 2008, 11:17:05 PM
Hi Steve
From the description you've given is it this. It's the Queens Lancashire Regiment.
If not just google British cap badges.

Cheers Timberman
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: themonsstar on July 17, 2008, 08:11:24 AM
Looking at the pic, I will go for the Royal Army Ordnance Corps (RAOC) ;D The QLR did not form until the 1970s?
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Wendi on July 17, 2008, 08:53:34 AM
Like this ?
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 17, 2008, 11:00:35 AM
Thankyou but not sure these are the badge.
After closer inspection it seems to be a crown on a cicular badge with something inside the circle. there's no scroll at the bottom.
I am going to try and get this enlarged so hopefully may get a clearer view of the badge.

Steve.


Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Fritz Bayer on July 17, 2008, 11:09:16 AM
Looking at the pic, I will go for the Royal Army Ordnance Corps (RAOC) ;D The QLR did not form until the 1970s?

1970 - but the badge depicted didn't exist until far more recently (2002?).

My first thought on the badge in question was ACC, but I think the shoulder titles are wrong for this.

Dave
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: timberman on July 17, 2008, 06:56:01 PM
Wrong again!!!!!!! ::) ::) ::)

Oh well I will get it right one day  ;D may-be ;)

Timberman
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Wendi on July 17, 2008, 08:38:04 PM
Watching is learning timberman, if your bright enough  ;D

How do you think the guys got me LOL

I made loads of mistakes, learned loads of stuff and the guys were good enough to bring me and Tis along.  We all help and learn from each other

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Wendi on July 17, 2008, 08:43:06 PM
Oh sorry Dave ! I forgot to mention that some peeps just know  ;)

We obviously appreciate you loads.

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: timberman on July 17, 2008, 08:49:48 PM
Wendi

Me bright enough ??? it will never happen :'(

Steve
 found this link with cap badges, no idea the dates of them but a lot with crown above a circle, it may help.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/army_cap_badges/insignia_index.htm

Cheers Timberman
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 17, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
ok after magnifing the badge it seems to be the same shape as the 7th Queen's Own Hussars badge in Wendi's link,
But the centre is different with possibly a lions head which pertrudes, to me it looks like a gargoyle type thing. ???

Sorry but did'nt realise there are so many badges. :o
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 17, 2008, 10:40:50 PM
Sorry Timbermans link... ::)
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: timberman on July 20, 2008, 11:51:15 AM
Steve

This is a better site,  I've set the link to page one, just go to the bottom of the page and lick on here it will go to the next page and so on. 20+ pages.

Hope this is better. ;D

http://www.militarybadges.org.uk/badges/infan1.htm

Look at THE YORK AND LANCASTER REGIMENT badge. ???

Timberman
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 20, 2008, 10:31:12 PM
Thanks again Timberman, but dont see anything matching.
I have magnified the pic & tried to zoom the badge, although not very clear here it is.
Remembering he was from salford, Manchester area, born 1936 & possibly pic taken 1954 56.
 
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/Steve1112008/DSC00386.jpg

Help much appreiated

Steve

Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 21, 2008, 12:32:39 AM
My first thought on the badge in question was ACC, but I think the shoulder titles are wrong for this.

The ACC badge looks to be favourite. I have just registered on their forum and hopefully it will be confirmed as their cap badge.
here's a pic of their badge, not sure if this was the badge worn in the 50's yet.
Will keep you posted Thanks again.
Steve.

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/Steve1112008/37708_199_2722f1.jpg
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: rafboy on July 21, 2008, 01:32:37 AM
That was my first guess the ACC badge has a bar under it with "We Sustain" from 1973, the ones in your photo do not so it is a possibility.
It looks like a "Kings" Crown in your photo so that would be pre 1953.
Have a look at this site I think there are about 4 other options for the badge on the site posted by Timberman: http://www.militarybadges.org.uk/
Some options attached.
One not on the badges site is the Army Cadet Force.
Cliff
 
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 30, 2008, 09:36:37 PM
Thanks for the help.
Now I have more info and wondered if you could point me in the right direction.

I have a number and a few clues for my father, not sure if there are numbers missing? these are from an old document of which I dont have a copy, yet.
OK i have Melvyn Jones, private 2301668 and belive it say 10th something? not sure of what this is? this is around 1955?

Are there enough numbers for this to be his army number?
Any ideas where I can get more info if this number is correct?

Steve.
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Wendi on July 30, 2008, 09:48:15 PM
Oh sorry Steve, I got so wrapped up in the badge thing I overlooked the fact that you were looking for, in essence, your fathers service record  ::) ::)

Download and fill in the forms from here : http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html

You'll need to pay £30 unless  your Mum is still alive, and you will need his death certificate, and some patience, but don't worry about regiment, rank or number they will find him for you.

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 31, 2008, 02:04:27 AM
Thats ok but he wasnt married to my mother so how would I go about next of kin proof on this form?
Just found out by searching, he died in 1988 so I have sent for a copy of his death cert would this be enough for me to get info on his service records?
Anyone know what would be meant by 'Uprating' which I belive is written on his marriage cert?

Steve.

Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Wendi on July 31, 2008, 01:02:06 PM
Steve, you simply make the declaration that you are his son, and enclose a copy of his death certificate.  If you download the forms I think it will become clearer to you.

~ sorry can't help with "Uprating" ???

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on July 31, 2008, 10:15:31 PM
Thanks Wendi.

I Emailed the Veterans & they sent me the form to dwnload, just waiting on a copy of his death cert.
What info is usually in the service records, just out of curiosoty?

Steve.
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Wendi on August 01, 2008, 08:36:18 AM
Hi Steve,

The form is on the website, at the address I gave you here too!

http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=1119.0;num_replies=24

You can expect, where & when joined, where he served, good/bad conduct, discharge notes, stuff like that.

Wendi  :)



Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Steve on August 02, 2008, 09:46:18 PM
Thanks all for your help. :)

Just to update.
It is the army catering corps he was in as i now have his marriage cert to confirm this.
Will be interesting read then when i finally get hold of a copy of his service records. ;D

The uprating actually said catering ???,
seems the info i was getting was from an old copy of his marriage cert, third hand.

Thanks again.
Steve
Title: Re: Newbie needs help
Post by: Wendi on August 04, 2008, 09:01:09 AM
Glad to have been of assistance Steve.

The uprating actually said catering ???,

  ;D ;D ;D

Wendi  :)