The Manchester Regiment Forum
The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: tonyrod on October 23, 2007, 01:20:01 PM
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hi chris, i am still trying to find my grandfathers battalion in the Manchester's
his other regiment the Devonshires no/066 i have been told the number was not issued till after the war, so my grandfather was in a Manchester battalion from 1916-1918 . private 79184 william rodaway [the smaller of the two] .tony
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refresh my memory Tony, have we got a medal card for him?
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hi chris, yes i have the medal card but no dates only on victory IT as
G/2/103B191378 i was told this was a devonshire reg code that issued his medal card , i am waiting for a reply from a pal in the pensions office her in Blackpool to see what he can dig up , so William rodaway MANCHESTER REG PTE 79184
DEVON REG 066. i just wish he had told me more. tony
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oh yes,
we could do with a friendly researcher at Kew to have a look for us :D
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cheers chris, its looking that way, tony
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HI CHRIS , i will post info later on this thread , but for now look at photo and documents thread long long trail forum, ancestry military look up, great reading
on william rodaway. tony
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well Chris , my grandad was in underage he joined up 13-4-1915 birkenhead with the 3rd Cheshire reg 25926 embarked 21-11-1915 for salonica it was around this time his mother got on to the army about him being underage,
she was asked to send his birth certificate for proof of age, she wrote back saying she could not afford the cost of one @ 3 shillings and 7 pence.
he was discharged 2-6-1916 he was awarded the 14-15 star and signed for it in 1920,
he signed up for the Manchester's in 1916 and shipped, out later that year, regarding his medals would the 1914-15 star have the Cheshire's on it and his victory
and war medal the Manchester's ? he joined the Devon's in 1919 , i have managed to find all the documents and letters regarding his discharge from ancestry military pensions search [a pal on 1914-18 site forum] but nothing on the manchesters,
if you would like any copies only to happy to post, some 20 pages. a very happy tony
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we have the documents from tony now
any observations?
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next lot
(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222419020-L.jpg)
(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222419083-XL.jpg)
i think that's the lot ( have i missed any?)
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hi chris, thanks for putting them on board, i only sent you those 6,can you make out the 2nd one it would seem they were dated the time he was being discharged, i know he would have been very p.....d off having to leave pals. tony
ps the last ones not mine,
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do you mean the memo in two parts?
the left side seems to be a request for his birth cert.
madam
re your letter to this office relating to your sons discharge as being underage. please attach his birth cert to this form and return it to this office as soon as possible. same being necessary before anything further can be done for you
Sir, sorry i could not answer this form(e) before know (now) as i could not pay 3/7 (three shillings 7 pence) for my sons birth certificate and i had to send to Somerset House and i have only got an answer back ( then i'm not sure) Sir my as(has?) enlisted in his first name only (???) please answer as soon as possible, Oblige
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hi chris, sorry its his offences sheet his charges for i think swearing at a nco,
cannot make the rest out ::) tony
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hmm not easy to read, i will have a go to enhance it later
but, first line,
absent **** **** parade 6am
second
failing to comply with an *** (order?)
third
***** ***** **** parade 6am
McBride and Wilkinson didn't like him much ;)
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cheers chris, ; i am in the process of trying to trace McBRIDE AND WILKINSON,
strange thing he married a wilkinson ;D tony
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i wonder what he thought of l/corporal halsall? ignore, wrong document
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HI CHRIS, L/CORP HALSALL not spotted him, found two serjeant McBride's
and three l/corps Wilkinson but 9 serjeants on medal cards , so Wilkinson
could have got a promotion to serjeant, and 1 went on to a act/lieutenant. i will let you know how i get on. tony ==update, only found 1 HALSALL ROBERT W 28603 CORPORAL, none of them on cwgc so looks good.
mod edit: ignore halsall, he was on the incorrectly posted doc, chris
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I think this is what you are looking for ???
14 1/16 C.O. Awarded 7 days F. P. No:I for using obscene language to a N.C.O
24.2.16 C.O. Awarded 8 days CB for absence for defaulters parade
29.2.16 C.O. Awarded 7 days F. P. No: I for absence etc.
19.5.16 D.A.G. Under age - To be transfered to Unit at Home
G.H.?.E.E.F
19.5.16 D.C.Troops Disembarked at Alex: from Salonica 6.5.16
Ismalia
20.5.15 28...BG To Base Depot Sidi Bishr 6.5.16
23.5.16 28 GB Depot Embarked for England Alexandria 17.5.16
Much more info than if he'd been a good boy :D
Wendi :)
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Or more lightly this :D
In the Field 14.11.15 Making an emproper reply to a NCO
(?) Aboukis Carys 19.11.15 Refusing to obey an order
In the Field 16.12.15 I Refusing to comply with an order
" " " " II ??? to a NCO
" " " cant read date Using obscene language to a NCO
" " " 7.2.16 Absent from fatigue at 1.45 pm
Wendi :)
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The next page
In the field 14.2.16 Absent EH DE * parade at 6am
In the field 17.2.16 I Failing to comply with an order
II Absent from DC * parade at 6am
* is the same word both times, would it be the name of the early morning parade something like Janlter or Jaulter ???
Wendi :)
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cheers wendi,great work, he was only a lad but hard as nails, back home in liverpool after the war he was a minder i was told for bessy braddock the liverpool mp, just need to find his manchester battalion. .tony
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You're doing better than me i can't find one Sgt McBride in the manchesters
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just need to find his manchester battalion.
With the number 79184 I would have thought it would have been 1917 or later ???
Wendi :)
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chris , he was in the cheshires when discharged , ;D
wendi, my avator photo he is in the manchester regiment, on the back of photo
i have it says my dad 1916 he was not 17 till november the same year, but you could still be right, but i dont have a clue,and no help on his medal card. tony
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chris , he was in the cheshires when discharged , ;D
where's the D'oh smiley?
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where's the D'oh smiley?
Same place the fluttering eyelash smileys are ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The next page
In the field 14.2.16 Absent EH DE * parade at 6am
In the field 17.2.16 I Failing to comply with an order
II Absent from DC * parade at 6am
* is the same word both times, would it be the name of the early morning parade something like Janlter or Jaulter ???
Wendi :)
i've just realised that this is defaulters parade
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In modern day terms isn't the parade called Janglers 'cos of the noise the chains made when the chained together soldiers came out of the guard house ???
Wendi :)
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eer... try jankers rather than janglers ;)
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That's the one ;D
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Jankers
In the British Armed Services, jankers is formal punishement, as opposed to the casual award of tasks for minor infringements. To be "on jankers" is to have been formally charged by a non-commissioned officer or commissioned officer, to have had the details of the charge entered into a charge sheet (Army Form No. 252 in the British Army), to have appeared before an officer, and to have been subsequently Confined to Barracks for a specified interval, or what ever else.
"Jankers" was a familiar part of National Service. The term is also used in civilian life and journalism to mean the punishment of minor infringements by the imposition of tedious duties. BBC comedies, such as It Ain't Half Hot Mum used the term, with the first ever episode "Meet the Gang" seeing Gunner Graham put on "jankers" (painting stones) by the Sergeant Major
I've seen one or two examples of Jankers (not personnelly mind)
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hi , going by all the charges and punishment, would you think this average for a young soldier, or as i think he was not very happy finding his mother was getting him out .and just had a go back. tony
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'cos of the noise the chains made when the chained together soldiers came out of the guard house ???
Well I like the idea but as it's not right I wonder where the word Jankers comes from ???
Tony ! he was only a lad but hard as nails, back home in liverpool after the war he was a minder i was told for bessy braddock the liverpool mp
;D ;D :-X
Wendi
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Hello Wendi
The only meaning I could find, Like a lot of other slang words it just found it's way into every day life.
jan·kers [ jángk?rs ]
noun
Definition:
U.K. military punishment: punishment for a serviceman or servicewoman who has committed a military offense ( slang )
[Early 20th century. Origin ?]
Timberman
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hi wendi, with me not being in the services :-\
i dont know if his record was normal or just a bit over the top,and it was war time.
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Tony I really have not seen enough to comment, but I do wonder how much he would have known about his mum was trying to get him out, I guess it's possible.
It does appear that he didn't start kicking off until he had been in some 7 or so months, but this could be due to training etc ?
Wendi :)