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The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: tonyrod on October 23, 2007, 01:20:01 PM

Title: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on October 23, 2007, 01:20:01 PM
hi  chris, i am still trying to find my grandfathers battalion in the Manchester's
his other regiment the Devonshires no/066 i have been told the number  was not issued till after the war,  so  my grandfather was in a Manchester battalion from 1916-1918 . private 79184 william  rodaway [the smaller of the two]  .tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on October 23, 2007, 07:18:14 PM

refresh my memory Tony, have we got a medal card for him?
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on October 24, 2007, 11:11:40 AM
hi chris, yes i have the medal card but no dates  only on victory IT as
G/2/103B191378  i was told this was a devonshire reg code that issued his medal card  , i am waiting for a reply from a pal in the pensions office her in Blackpool to see what he can dig up ,   so William rodaway MANCHESTER REG PTE 79184
DEVON REG 066.   i just wish he had told me more. tony 
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on October 24, 2007, 12:08:35 PM
oh yes,

we could do with a friendly researcher at Kew to have a look for us  :D
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on October 24, 2007, 04:37:08 PM
cheers chris, its looking that way,  tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on October 25, 2007, 10:40:21 PM
HI CHRIS ,  i will post info later on this thread , but for now look at photo and documents thread long long trail forum, ancestry military look up, great reading
on william rodaway. tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway[ update]
Post by: tonyrod on October 26, 2007, 04:15:07 PM
well Chris , my grandad was in underage he joined up 13-4-1915  birkenhead with the 3rd Cheshire reg  25926 embarked 21-11-1915  for salonica it was around this time his mother got on to the army about him being underage,
she was asked to send his birth certificate for proof of age, she wrote back saying she could not afford the cost of one @ 3 shillings and 7 pence.
he was discharged 2-6-1916 he was awarded the 14-15 star and signed for it in 1920,
he  signed up for the Manchester's in 1916  and shipped, out later that year, regarding his medals  would  the   1914-15 star have the Cheshire's on it and his victory
and war medal the Manchester's ?  he joined the Devon's in 1919 , i have managed to find all the documents and letters regarding his discharge from ancestry  military  pensions  search  [a pal on 1914-18 site forum] but nothing on the manchesters,
if you would like any copies  only to happy to post, some 20 pages. a very happy tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on November 17, 2007, 10:49:23 PM
we have the documents from tony now

any observations?

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222418520-M.jpg)

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222418577-L.jpg)

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222418626-L.jpg)

Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on November 17, 2007, 10:52:01 PM
next lot

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222419020-L.jpg)

(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/222419083-XL.jpg)




i think that's the lot ( have i missed any?)
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on November 19, 2007, 09:29:14 AM
hi chris, thanks for  putting them on board, i only sent you those 6,can you make out the 2nd one it would seem they were dated the time he was being discharged, i know he would have been very p.....d off having to leave pals. tony
ps the last ones not mine,
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on November 19, 2007, 10:03:05 AM
do you mean the memo in two parts?

the left side seems to be a request for his birth cert.


madam
re your letter to this office relating to your sons discharge as being underage. please attach his birth cert to this form and return it to this office as soon as possible. same being necessary before anything further can be done for you

Sir, sorry i could not answer this form(e) before know (now) as i could not pay 3/7 (three shillings 7 pence) for my sons birth certificate and i had to send to Somerset House and i have only got an answer back ( then i'm not sure) Sir my as(has?) enlisted in his first name only (???)  please answer as soon as possible, Oblige


 
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on November 19, 2007, 11:52:34 AM
hi chris, sorry its his offences sheet  his charges for i think swearing at a nco,
cannot make the rest out  ::) tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on November 19, 2007, 01:07:22 PM
hmm  not easy to read, i will have a go to enhance it later

but, first line,

absent **** **** parade 6am

second

failing to comply with an *** (order?)

third

***** ***** **** parade 6am

McBride and Wilkinson didn't like him much  ;)
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on November 19, 2007, 01:51:14 PM
cheers chris,  ; i am in the process of trying to trace McBRIDE AND WILKINSON,
strange thing he married a wilkinson ;D   tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on November 19, 2007, 02:18:36 PM
i wonder what he thought of l/corporal halsall?  ignore, wrong document
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on November 19, 2007, 02:48:18 PM
HI CHRIS,  L/CORP HALSALL not spotted him, found two serjeant McBride's
and three l/corps Wilkinson but  9  serjeants  on medal cards , so Wilkinson
could have got a promotion to serjeant, and 1 went on to a act/lieutenant. i  will let you know how i get on. tony  ==update, only found 1 HALSALL ROBERT W 28603 CORPORAL,  none of them on cwgc so looks good.


mod edit: ignore halsall, he was on the incorrectly posted doc, chris
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on November 19, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
I think this is what you are looking for  ???

14 1/16 C.O. Awarded 7 days F. P. No:I for using obscene language to a N.C.O

24.2.16 C.O. Awarded 8 days CB for absence for defaulters parade

29.2.16 C.O. Awarded 7 days F. P. No: I for absence etc.

19.5.16 D.A.G. Under age - To be transfered to Unit at Home
           G.H.?.E.E.F

19.5.16 D.C.Troops Disembarked at Alex: from Salonica 6.5.16
           Ismalia

20.5.15 28...BG To Base Depot Sidi Bishr 6.5.16

23.5.16 28 GB Depot Embarked for England Alexandria 17.5.16

Much more info than if he'd been a good boy  :D

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on November 19, 2007, 03:04:24 PM
Or more lightly this  :D

In the Field 14.11.15 Making an emproper reply to a NCO

(?) Aboukis Carys 19.11.15 Refusing to obey an order

In the Field 16.12.15 I Refusing to comply with an order
 "   "     "          "      II    ???    to a NCO

 "   "     "    cant read date Using obscene language to a NCO

 "   "     "   7.2.16 Absent from fatigue at 1.45 pm

Wendi  :)




Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on November 19, 2007, 03:19:17 PM
The next page

In the field 14.2.16 Absent EH DE * parade at 6am

In the field 17.2.16 I Failing to comply with an order
                          II Absent from DC * parade at 6am

* is the same word both times, would it be the name of the early morning parade something like Janlter or Jaulter ???

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on November 19, 2007, 03:59:09 PM
cheers wendi,great work,   he was only a lad but hard as nails, back home in liverpool after the war  he was a minder i was told for bessy braddock the liverpool mp,  just need to find his manchester battalion.   .tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on November 19, 2007, 04:49:25 PM
You're doing better than me i can't find one Sgt McBride in the manchesters
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on November 19, 2007, 05:07:07 PM
just need to find his manchester battalion.

With the number 79184 I would have thought it would have been 1917 or later ???

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on November 19, 2007, 05:37:01 PM
chris , he was in the  cheshires when discharged , ;D
wendi, my avator photo he is in the manchester regiment, on the back of photo
i have it says my dad 1916 he was not 17 till  november the same year, but you could still be right, but i dont have a clue,and no help on his medal card. tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on November 19, 2007, 08:32:03 PM
chris , he was in the  cheshires when discharged , ;D

where's the D'oh smiley?
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on November 19, 2007, 08:39:13 PM
where's the D'oh smiley?
Same place the fluttering eyelash smileys are  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on February 24, 2008, 02:28:06 PM
The next page

In the field 14.2.16 Absent EH DE * parade at 6am

In the field 17.2.16 I Failing to comply with an order
                          II Absent from DC * parade at 6am

* is the same word both times, would it be the name of the early morning parade something like Janlter or Jaulter ???

Wendi  :)


i've just realised that this is defaulters parade
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on February 25, 2008, 08:39:04 PM
In modern day terms isn't the parade called Janglers 'cos of the noise the chains made when the chained together soldiers came out of the guard house ???

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: harribobs on February 25, 2008, 08:46:27 PM


eer...  try jankers rather than janglers ;)
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on February 25, 2008, 08:48:04 PM
That's the one  ;D
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: timberman on February 25, 2008, 09:05:09 PM
Jankers

In the British Armed Services, jankers is formal punishement, as opposed to the casual award of tasks for minor infringements. To be "on jankers" is to have been formally charged by a non-commissioned officer or commissioned officer, to have had the details of the charge entered into a charge sheet (Army Form No. 252 in the British Army), to have appeared before an officer, and to have been subsequently Confined to Barracks for a specified interval, or what ever else.

"Jankers" was a familiar part of National Service. The term is also used in civilian life and journalism to mean the punishment of minor infringements by the imposition of tedious duties. BBC comedies, such as It Ain't Half Hot Mum used the term, with the first ever episode "Meet the Gang" seeing Gunner Graham put on "jankers" (painting stones) by the Sergeant Major

I've seen one or two examples of Jankers (not personnelly mind)

Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on February 26, 2008, 02:59:16 PM
hi , going by all the charges and punishment, would you think this average for a young soldier, or as i think he was not very happy finding his mother was getting him out .and just had a go back. tony
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on February 26, 2008, 05:15:36 PM
'cos of the noise the chains made when the chained together soldiers came out of the guard house ???

Well I like the idea but as it's not right I wonder where the word Jankers comes from ???

Tony !
he was only a lad but hard as nails, back home in liverpool after the war  he was a minder i was told for bessy braddock the liverpool mp


 ;D ;D :-X
Wendi
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: timberman on February 26, 2008, 07:13:38 PM
Hello Wendi

The only meaning I could find, Like a lot of other slang words it just found it's way into every day life.

  jan·kers [ jángk?rs ]
noun 
 
Definition:
 
U.K. military punishment: punishment for a serviceman or servicewoman who has committed a military offense ( slang )

 
[Early 20th century. Origin ?]

Timberman
 
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: tonyrod on February 26, 2008, 07:48:12 PM
hi wendi, with me  not being in the services  :-\
i dont know if his record  was normal or just a bit over the top,and it was war time.
Title: Re: private 79184 william rodaway
Post by: Wendi on February 26, 2008, 08:16:48 PM
Tony I really have not seen enough to comment, but I do wonder how much he would have known about his mum was trying to get him out, I guess it's possible.

It does appear that he didn't start kicking off until he had been in some 7 or so months, but this could be due to training etc ?

Wendi  :)