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Other Manchester Regiment Queries => All Other Manchester Regiment Queries => Topic started by: Tel on July 06, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
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Hi,
My father died in 1958 whilst still serving in the Manchester Regiment, the Army put a military headstone on his grave and I visited his grave after many years living out of the area to find the headstone had split and was in a very poor condition, my question is does anyone know if the M.O.D. replace military headstones or is it up to the remaining family members to do so.
Regards
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The headstone is probably one erected by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. You should write to Major Turner, TA Centre, Ardwick Green Manchester M12 6HD giving him all the details of who your father was, when and where he died and the condition of the headstone. Major Turner looks after all Manchester Regiment queries of this nature and will advise you.
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The Commonwealth War Graves Commission make a special effort to replace damaged military headstones.
The memorials are made from a special type of material and engraved in Normandy in France and shipped back to Britain, in a process which normally takes up to 18 months.
so it takes time, follow Roberts advice and get things moving they can only act when they know about it,
you have taken the first step, let us know how you get on, and all the very best. tonyrod
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission
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Hi Tel !
Did you by any chance take a photo of the grave stone? If so can we see it please?
Wendi :)
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Many thanks for all your help, I have taken Bob Bonners advice and written to Major Turner.
No I didn't take a photograph of the headstone unfortunately.
I didn't know it was the War Graves Commission who erected the headstone, I thought it had been the Manchester Regiment. My father died of a heart attack in Brentwood Essex two days before the amalgamation of the Manchester Regiment and the Queens Liverpool Regiment (goodness knows why two regiments from Lancashire had to have the ceremony in Essex) not during a conflict, that is why I am surprised the War Graves Commission were/are involved.
Regards
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:-\ That's why I wondered if you took a photo, a Commonwealth War Grave would look like these http://www.britishwargraves.co.uk/ It maybe that it was erected by the family with the assistance of The Regiment, either way I'm sure Major Turner will point you in the right direction.
Wendi :)
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tel, has your father was still serving, the family would have had a choice if they wanted a private funeral and headstone or a military one, was he buried in a army barracks cemetery or a town cemetery from your comments it sounds like a town one, my late pals father was serving in Germany and died in 1957 no conflict and buried in RHEINDAHLEN with a cwgc headstone,
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My father had a military funeral with firing party and bearers though he was buried in a local cemetary. I did have one of the 303 shell cases but it has gone missing over the past 52 years since the funeral. Wendi the headstone is the same as the ones in your photo. I have visited the British War Cemetaries in Normandy many times and know what the headstones are like.
Regards
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hi tel, that's what i thought he was buried in a local cemetery with a cwgc headstone . the cwgc inspectors do go round local cemeteries, how often i don't know, so unless it gets reported we just don't know how long a headstone as been damaged, one thing you can relay on they will sort it out.
your father earned that much, let us know how you get on. all the very best tonyrod
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Sorry Tel when you said military headstone, I was not sure you meant a CWG headstone, in that case I'm sure they will sort it out for you.
All the best
Wendi :)
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Hi Tel
The advice you get on here is first rate and all those contributing are totaly dedicated to helping you in any way they can.
Can we please have a little more information on your father, was he a regular, when did he join up, what was his service number, which cemetery is he buried in, it is possible that there is a photos available before the headstone was split, there is a CWG Photo Project site that may be able to help.
Do you have his Service Record, if not you can obtain it, your mother if still alive can get it free or you can for about £30.00 If you need it the information is available on the Forum which we can direct you to if you want it.
My father was 3525679 Sgt Arthur Phillips.
Cliff
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Hi rafboy,
I first made enquiries on this forum 2 years ago but had no response from anyone who knew my dad, see http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=923.0 thread. My mother died some years ago and somewhere there is a copy of his service records for the Irish Guards and the Manchester Regiment but I can't find it.
This link http://www.veterans-uk.info/afm2/roll-of-honour.php?SerialNo=A1895 is his Roll of Honour on the Armed forces Memorial website. Fortunately it gives me the grave section and the grave number which saves me searching at the Cemetary.
Tried using the post hyperlink facility but it would work so I apologise for inserting full URL's
Many thanks for the kind help and advice offered on this forum.
Regards
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Thanks Terry, I remember your original post now. My father had left the Regiment before yours joined it, he transfered to the RAPC after the 1st Bn came home from Germany then went to Malaya with them from 1951 to 54. He left the Army shortly after returning to UK so would not have known your father.
It looks like your fathers headstone is not amongst the Phillips Park photos on the Forum at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manchester-regiment/sets/72157601525385270/
Please let us know with a photo if possible when you have the headstone problem resolved.
Cliff
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Hi Terry,
I have been scratching my grey cells for the past week or so trying to remember the name of your father, when I spotted your link today I went in for a look see and yes I knew Jimmy vaguely, he hadn't been with the Bn very long and was if my memory serves me rightly re-enlisting with us down at Warley Barracks at a period which was very strange to us - pre-amalgamation. I myself was in the position that immediately following said parade I was to be posted to Preston to finish off my service having been made redundant as a result of the amalgamation so I was not a very happy bunny in many senses. I cannot say that I knew him for these reasons, he was not in C Company of which I was at that time CQMS, people were coming and going every day and being in married quarters I did not frequent the Sgts Mess all that often.
However as Cliff Phillips said keep us posted on events, my apologies for holding back until I knew who we were talking about.
Take care, warmest regards,
George.
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Hi George,
It is such a long time ago now but I have memories of my dad as an instructor at the 8th Ardwick next to Jewbury & Brown, we lived in an Army Married quarter on Belle Vue Street, now demolished and Norman Road between Platt Fields and Birchfields Parks (still there but not army quarters), both next to T.A. Barracks. He then was posted to Ladysmith Barracks Ashton where I remember Christmas Parties as a 12 year old. By that time we lived in the married quarters at Mellands Camp Gorton (wooden huts).
Kind Regards
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First of all I must apologise to all members of this forum, I have to admit the headstone I thought was my father’s was in fact a private headstone in a completely different part of Phillips Park Cemetery. I had been prompted to visit the cemetery by a cousin who had notified me of the condition of the headstone, as it had been more than 20 years since my last visit and because the cemetery had changed so much I looked in the wrong section and found a headstone in the area I thought he had been buried, it was so badly damaged I thought it was my fathers. When contacted by Algy Turner and Bob Bonner I checked on the Armed Forces Memorial Website, found my father’s entry and noted the section and plot number. Today I visited the correct section and found that the headstone had been replaced since I last saw it but was in very good condition, the mistake I had made was my cousin had told me the stone had split, he meant the family memorial on the grave.
Many thanks for all the interest and help from you all and special thanks to Major Turner and Captain Bonner for their help and advice. The original headstone had been a standard CWGC headstone but the present one has an odd shape with the top not being curved. I have posted a photograph at this link: http://www.tel-web.co.uk/pic/sgtaskew.jpg
Regards
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no problem tel, its easy to do, your fathers at rest.
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tel, has your father was still serving, the family would have had a choice if they wanted a private funeral and headstone or a military one, was he buried in a army barracks cemetery or a town cemetery from your comments it sounds like a town one, my late pals father was serving in Germany and died in 1957 no conflict and buried in RHEINDAHLEN with a cwgc headstone,
Dunno if anyone read/relpies to this thread any more
TONYROD..... With regard to Rheindahlen, I live at Javelin Barracks. Formerly RAF Bruggen! I am about 10 min drive from the main camp JHQ (Joint Head Quarters). I do know there is a cemetary on this camp.
If required mail me the details and i can try to get a picture if needed and indeed at JHQ
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i am sure tony will pick up on this ;)
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Hi,
In regard to the cemetary at JHQ, i have never visited before and i am unsure about any Manchesters that lie here. I will try to research if any are and if so when the weather is clearer i will go to visit and note any. I am unsure if there are Manchesters if anyone has photo's from JHQ but if i do find any i will post them to the forum if required.
:)
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hi gritty, i am just back from spain, and playing catch up, i have the photo i needed from RHEINDAHLEN
thank you, you can read the full story on this link,
http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=1215.msg8153#msg8153
my family web site, http://tonyrod.webs.com/ cheers tonyrod