The Manchester Regiment Forum
The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: PeeBee on August 03, 2009, 04:45:06 PM
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I have been given an extremely faded photo of a George Thacker who served in the Manchesters, what Battalion I don't know. However, he is wearing a Silver War Badge and, so the family story goes, was invalided out following being twice wounded.
He was born in Leeds in 1891 but moved to Manchester prior to the war. He married in September 1917, whilst living at 45 Milton Street, Manchester. He eventually died, (supposedly from the aftermath of mustard gas poisoning),in 1926 in Bradford, Manchester.
I assume that there is a list somewhere , albeit a huge one, of recipients of the Silver War Badge so could I be pointed in the right direction please? I would also like any other info' about this distant relative. Thanks.
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hi peebee, found two in the man reg, do you have his number ? someone will i think be along later to help you out more. tonyrod
Description Medal card of Thacker, George
Corps Regiment No Rank
Manchester Regiment 12471 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference
Description Medal card of Thacker, George
Corps Regiment No Rank
Manchester Regiment 7264 Private
East Lancashire Regiment 32525 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/19
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Hi PeeBee ! Welcome to TMF
Actually I can see 2 Medal Index Cards (usually our first point of reference for a WW1 Vet) and neither show a Silver War Badge
1. George Thacker Manchester Regiment, 7264, East. Lances Reg. 32525
2. George Thacker Manchester Regiment 12471
Both survived past 1921.
Wendi :)
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7264 g thacker was in the 16th manchesters and 12471 was in the 19th battalion,there should be a picture of both of them,in the book of honour
mack ;D
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Thanks for the information. It looks like I will have to keep looking because he definitely died in 1921. I will also see if I can get anymore information from an elderly relative.
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HI PEEBEE, found 27 george thacker on medal cards, listed only two from lancashire regiments. tonyrod
Medal card of Thacker, George
Corps Regiment No Rank
Lancashire Fusiliers 21746 Private
Labour Corps 551527 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/19
Medal card of Thacker, George H
Corps Regiment No Rank
King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment 27318 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/19
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if you can produce a medal index card with a page number for a SWB I will have a look for you.
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:-\ Wendi
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PeeBee ! do you know where he died?
The only George Thacker on the England & Wales Death Index I can see is a George S Thacker aged 72 whose death was registered in N. Bierley :-\
Wendi :)
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this is the only death i can find all the rest were either to old or to young to have been in ww1 and fits in with peebee's dates
Deaths Mar 1926 (88%)
Thacker George 35 Manchester N. 8d 749
also,
Marriages Sep 1917 (>99%)
Thacker George Esther Stubbs Prestwich 8d 456
Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Thacker George Leeds 9b 411
Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
THACKER Marjorie Stubbs Prestwich 8d 811
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Sorry to have put you to so much trouble but after a long, meandering, conversation with my aged relative I have found that the George Thacker I am after is indeed the one who died March/April 1926. And, he is the one who married Esther Stubbs. So it looks like tonyrod got the one. Any information on this George's service career will be much appreciated.
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Sorry to have put you to so much trouble but after a long, meandering, conversation with my aged relative I have found that the George Thacker I am after is indeed the one who died March/April 1926.
No problem PeeBee !!
It's often worth recording these long, meandering conversations.....it's amazing how often something later comes to light, and you think "Oh that's what they meant" :D
It's possible that his service record survives at Kew. Ancestry are currently digitalizing them but have not got to the T's yet, so it would mean waiting, or visiting Kew, or getting a researcher to check for you.
Wendi :)
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Do any of these names from the 1901 Census mean anything RG13; Piece: 4249; Folio: 97; Page: 13.
25, Bexley Terrace, Potter Newton, Leeds
Elizabeth Thacker 40
Edward Thacker 10
Sidney J Thacker 17
Lewis Thacker 14
Edith Thacker 11
George Thacker 9
Mabel Thacker 6
Howard Thacker 4
Frank Thacker 1
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PeeBee
i wouldn't mind seeing the photo as well if you don't mind
chris
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in case wendi as linked on to something, it would be something for 5 brothers not including young frank
(could have gone in underage though, ] to survive the war providing they all went in,
Description Medal card of Thacker, Lewis 2 more listed
Corps Regiment No Rank
Yorkshire Regiment 7790 Serjeant
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/19
Medal card of Thacker, Howard only one
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Lancaster Regiment 11004 Private
Army Cyclist Corps 7547 Private
East Yorkshire Regiment 36502 Private
Machine Gun Corps 159670 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/19
Medal card of Thacker, Sidney 6 more listed
Corps Regiment No Rank
West Yorkshire Regiment 62239 Private
Machine Gun Corps 172055 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/19
edward thacker 5 listed
Medal card of Thacker, Frank
Corps Regiment No Rank
West Yorkshire Regiment 64319 Private just in case he did sign up a possable
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/19
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Yes Wendi, that is the family and we had no idea that other members had indeed joined up.
I will try and get the faded photo of George Thacker copied to this site. It might take a couple of days.
Thanks for all your trouble.
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hiya PB
if your certain that this is your family
from the leeds absent voters register 1918
frank thacker 25 bexley terrace,leeds
lewis thacker,25 bexley terrace,leeds
howard thacker,25 bexley terrace,leeds
fred thacker,highfield place,leeds
GEORGE THACKER,quarry mount terrace,leeds
this george thacker,was in the 15th west yorks regt[leeds pals]army number 883,he was discharged,on 16th march 1919.
the 15th west yorks cap badge,is similar in shape to the manchesters badge
mack ;D
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We have to make absolutly sure we have the right family
He was born in Leeds in 1891 but moved to Manchester prior to the war. He married in September 1917, whilst living at 45 Milton Street, Manchester.
The absent voters register shows that George Thacker as still in Leeds (I suppose he could have gone to Manchester and back again)
But we still have no Silver War Badge MIC for either of the 2 Manchester Regiment George Thackers, however the 15th West Yorks Reg. one does not appear to have one either :-\
Wendi :)
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We have to make absolutly sure we have the right family
He was born in Leeds in 1891 but moved to Manchester prior to the war. He married in September 1917, whilst living at 45 Milton Street, Manchester.
The absent voters register shows that George Thacker as still in Leeds (I suppose he could have gone to Manchester and back again)
But we still have no Silver War Badge MIC for either of the 2 Manchester Regiment George Thackers, however the 15th West Yorks Reg. one does not appear to have one either :-\
Wendi :)
your absolutely right wendi.
i think he may be a different george,possibly a relative.
i also found this
george thacker was buried in phillips park cemetery,on 23-1-26,grave ref.G.consecrated.671,his wife esther was buried in the same grave,on 6-2-1945
mack
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mack, wendi, had a problem earlier lost connection with site anyway, found these on 1911 census,
THACKER GEORGE 1844 67 Prestwich Lancashire
THACKER GEORGE 1892 19 Chorlton Lancashire i think this is our man and unlikely to have been
on absent voters list in leeds if discharged, and he got married in 1917
THACKER GEORGE 1906 5 Leeds i think this is the one from absent voters list went over late.or on becoming 18
THACKER GEORGE 1874 37 Leeds
THACKER GEORGE BERTRAM M 1894 17 Ripon
THACKER GEORGE 1888 23 Hull
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mack, wendi, had a problem earlier lost connection with site anyway, found these on 1911 census,
THACKER GEORGE 1844 67 Prestwich Lancashire
THACKER GEORGE 1892 19 Chorlton Lancashire i think this is our man and unlikely to have been
on absent voters list in leeds if discharged, and he got married in 1917
THACKER GEORGE 1906 5 Leeds i think this is the one from absent voters list went over late.or on becoming 18
THACKER GEORGE 1874 37 Leeds
THACKER GEORGE BERTRAM M 1894 17 Ripon
THACKER GEORGE 1888 23 Hull
the george thacker in the west yorkshire regt,went overseas,on 22-12-1915
mack ;D
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mack, found two in west yorks ,
Medal card of Thacker, George
Corps: West Yorkshire Regiment
Regiment No: 2175
Rank: Private...
1914-1920 WO 372/19
Medal card of Thacker, George
Corps: West Yorkshire Regiment
Regiment No: 15/883
Rank: Private
1914-1920 WO 372/19
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THACKER GEORGE 1892 19 Chorlton Lancashire i think this is our man
Only trouble is this chap's birth was registered on Chorlton not Leeds ::)
PeeBee does any of this help ? A copy of the photo would be handy to verify the SWB etc, and perhaps another rambling conversation might throw up something new.
I'm presuming Yes Wendi, that is the family and we had no idea that other members had indeed joined up.
Please can I ask how you are sure this is George's family?
Wendi :)
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The George Thacker I am after was born in Leeds 27 years prior to his marriage to Esther Stubbs on the 27 September 1917. At the time he is shown, (we have the cert'), as living at 45 Milton St, Manchester. We also have a letter showing that he was in Belgium 3 August 1915 but it does not have his unit address unfortunately. I have been promised the photo by e-mail sometime very soon, so I will post it the instant I get it, however, it is very faded.
(He was the son of James Lewis Needham Thacker and Elizabeth Pollard).
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In that case PB, this is your man !!!
hiya PB
if your certain that this is your family
from the leeds absent voters register 1918
frank thacker 25 bexley terrace,leeds
lewis thacker,25 bexley terrace,leeds
howard thacker,25 bexley terrace,leeds
fred thacker,highfield place,leeds
GEORGE THACKER,quarry mount terrace,leeds
this george thacker,was in the 15th west yorks regt[leeds pals]army number 883,he was discharged,on 16th march 1919.
the 15th west yorks cap badge,is similar in shape to the manchesters badge
mack ;D
george thacker,was in the 15th west yorks regt
James Lewis married Elizabeth in 1881 in Leeds (or at least they both appear on the same page together with an Elizabeth Armitage and an Alfred William Parkes)
James Lewis does not appear on the 1901 Census, in the household, however Eliz is listed as Married and not widowed. On the 1891 Census he is listed as a Horse Collar Maker born Walsall
Wendi :)
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:o :o :o MACK
PeeBee I may have changed my mind !!!
Look what I found !!! Another George Thacker in the West Yorks Reg. who went onto the Durham Light Infantry AND this chap has a Silver War Badge
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wendi, its one off the two i listed in the west yorks, i have stopped searching for the time being , my heads in a spin, to be quit honest i thought with his name only a very few would turn up, the george i listed from the census ( THACKER GEORGE 1892 19 Chorlton Lancashire i think this is our man ) his at the moment the only one with year of birth fitting, also its not uncommon for people to give the place they are living as place of birth on a census, my gg grandfather on three census was born in three different places, could there be another twist to this , a great search though.
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and PBs dated letter,rules out both the lads in the manchester regt,they didnt go overseas,till 8th nov 1915,and the george thacker,in the leeds AVL,went overseas in december 1915
i think you may have found him wendi ;D
mack
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a great search though.
Quite right !!
the george i listed from the census ( THACKER GEORGE 1892 19 Chorlton Lancashire i think this is our man ) his at the moment the only one with year of birth fitting,
You may well be right tony, a search of the England & Wales birth index for +/- 2 years of 1892 show only 2 George Thackers without middle names,
George Thacker 1892 Jan-Feb-Mar Leeds District Yorkshire - West Riding
This chap fits with PeeBee's understanding that George was born in 1891 (had he been born later in December, the family might not have registered the birth until the following January.
George Thacker 1892 Oct-Nov-Dec Walsall District Staffordshire ~ wrong place
And no George Thacker, with or without a middle name, birth registered in Lancashire, anywhere.
I wonder if themonsstar can find anything about 2175 George Thacker from the Medal Rolls :D ;)
Wendi :)
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It sounds stupid but how do I put a 4 meg photograph onto this reply? Or, can you suggest a way I can get this photo as an attachement to you for your perusal?
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peebee,
click on this site, http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
on right hand side you will see a download for image resizer click on and download,
when downloaded, go to your photos and right click a photo and set for small , that's it,
on posting a reply ,on left hand side , click additional options,then browse,chose photo you want , make sure you have resized to small, and post, hope this makes sense to you, tonyrod
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Esther and George Thacker.
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greet photo peebee,
it shows me A wound stripe Allied soldiers during World War I who had been wounded in combat. It was typically worn on the left forearm of the uniform or jacket. i can not tell the regiment though.
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hes got two wound stripes and a good conduct chevron.
mack ;D
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Thanks very much you have been a tremendous help. I have magnified the 4 meg picture to look at the shoulder badge and it appears to be a city crest, perhaps that is why it was assumed he was a Manchester. I think maybe the crest is that of Leeds, would that be right for the 15th?
I see the two wound stripes and the crossed rifles of the marksman badge but not the good conduct stripe, (we didn't have those in my days in the RAF!).
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Thanks very much you have been a tremendous help. I have magnified the 4 meg picture to look at the shoulder badge and it appears to be a city crest, perhaps that is why it was assumed he was a Manchester. I think maybe the crest is that of Leeds, would that be right for the 15th?
I see the two wound stripes and the crossed rifles of the marksman badge but not the good conduct stripe, (we didn't have those in my days in the RAF!).
i need glasses ;D ;D ;D,sorry PB
mack
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the 15th west yorks shoulder title,had this in the title
LEEDS
W YORKS
mack ;D
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Lovely photo PB !
We don't know he was in the 15th now !!!
15/833 was in the 15th but he was not awarded a Silver War Badge
only 1275 the last MIC I posted.......
We need "our" Roy (themonsstar) to confirm his Battalion for you.
I'm of course assuming that the photo you posted is of the same chap who in a later photo is wearing the SWB ???
Wendi :)
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the wound stripe a 2 inch brass plate, and i thought they were cloth
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PeeBee can we please see the photo if him wearing the Sliver War Badge?
Wendi :)
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the wound stripe a 2 inch brass plate, and i thought they were cloth
ime not sure tony,but i think they were made of cloth,and these were worn on active service, and the brass ones worn on other occasions,pretty sure your right about the cloth ones
ive seen brass types before,but ive never seen the back of one,great find mate
mack ;D
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I will get a photo sent down with him wearing the Silver War Badge. I'm still not sure exactly what he did in the war but at least I am nearer to identifying the type of life he led tahnks to your efforts.
Coming from Leeds I had heard a lot about the Leeds Pals and the hammering they took at Gallipoli but having just read a factual account I am horrified at what they went through.
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laurie milners book,"the leeds pals"is a great read,plenty of photos of individuals.
my mother and her family,were all leeds folk,my sister was born at jimmys,i was nearly a yorkshireman,but me old man moved me mam back to his hometown in manchester,a few weeks before i was born,stating that he didnt want another one of his kids born in bloody yorkshire,he always gave her stick about being from yorkshire,but she was more than a match for him
i spent many happy times up at my grandfathers in leeds,i saw the last tram go into the depot,to be broken up,happy days
mack ;D
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At last I have recieved the picture of George Thacker wearing his SWB. Can we just clarify which George Thacker MIC belongs to this happy fellow.
(Mack did you know that some young chap on the Roundhay Park website thought that the Hill 60 in said park was named after the angle of the slope. I mentioned Gallipoli and he regarded my input as a hoax!)
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This is the best we can do with the shoulder badge on the oroiginal photo' I posted regarding George Thacker. It is indistinct but it might be two owls either side of the centre which would therefore be the crest of Leeds.
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the shoulder title only has LEEDS over W.YORKS,theres no owls or anything else in the title
regarding the absent voters registers,a man can register his vote in his native town even if he lives elsewhere,he can also register it,in the town hes moved to
mack
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Thanks for that Mack. In that case I haven't a clue as to what the badge could be, it is such a pity I have no way of anchoring him to a specific identity.
I have to say I have been more than impressed with all of the help I have had from this site. No doubt I will be back with more questions once I have another trawl through the old photographs belonging to my relation.