The Manchester Regiment Forum
The Great War => 1914 - 1918 => Topic started by: Robinetta on September 10, 2008, 11:01:58 PM
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(Sorry - Lost my first attempt at a reply - hope this is not duplicated!)
Hi everyone.
This is a wonderful site - just finding my way round it! Credit due to those who are willing to give time to other people's queries. Wonderful stuff.
I have little knowledge and no relatives with information about my Great Grandfather whose surname was Wade (I do not know his christian name). I have inherited a small autograph book that belonged to my Great Grandmother and the first page bears her name Mrs E Wade, 131 Greame Street, Moss Side, Manchester. It contains signatures from several Sargeants of the 21st Service Batallion Manchester Regiment which are mostly dated 1915 and some mention Larkhill, suggesting this was where they were all based (including my Great Grandmother). Could my Great Grandfather have been a member of the 21st? Perhaps my Great Grandmother's inital E is my Great Grandfather's initial?
Could anyone start filling my blank page in?
Thanks for reading this and I keep my fingers crossed someone can help.
Regards - Robinetta.
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hi robinetta
and welcome to the group
i have plucked this out from the ancestry thread so we can look at it a bit closer
i suspect...or rather i have a possible GGF for you
certainly the 21st were in Larkhill, the 21st were a pals battalion and were trying to molded into the british army there :)
in the 21st's lists we have a Regimental Sergeant Majors Name E WADE 4/2952
do you think you'd recognise him?
chris
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Hi Robinetta ~ Welcome, and thanks for your kind words of praise !!!
It looks like 4/2952 RSM Wade went abroad, but still no first name ::) Here is the link to his Medal Index Card (MIC) it'll cost you £3.50 to download. It might help.
Wendi :)
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just a thought ~ have you gone down the route of obtaining your grandmother/father's birth certificate and their fathers name should be on it ???
Wendi :)
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Here is the MIC for E WADE 4/2952 the card is for the Meritorious Service Medal (MSM), I have also found him on the 1915 Star medal roll. I cannot find his other MIC?
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Might help if I posted the link ::)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=6554963&queryType=1&resultcount=3
Wendi :)
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Hi Wendi
The link you have put up is for the card I have posted, there could be anyother card out there somewear
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Thanks Roy ! I checked the Gazette entry, that does not give any more info either ::)
Wendi :)
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He was discharge on 29th March 1918
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hiya robinetta.
heres a bit more for you.
3317 edward,arthur wade
1st manchesters
enlisted 28-8-1891 formerly in 5th volunteer batt,manchester regt
aged 21
occupation.gas clerk
religion.presbytarian
born.hulme 1870
lodged with mr+mrs john bayson at 3 stamford st,hulme.
parents resided at 17 arnott st,hulme[previously lived at 39 council st,hulme
parents edwin+frances wade
brothers,tom,albert and ernest
sisters,ellen,gertrude,edith,emma and fanny
his father was a cabinet maker,born ovenden,yorkshire
served in india 3-9-1894 till 15-11-1898
married mary,annie edwards[widow] at prestwich,on 17-6-1899.witnesses john proctor+annie moore.
promoted to lance corporal 19-8-1892.
promoted to corporal,2-9-1894 and posted to the 2nd battalion
reduced to private,7-6-1895
extended his service to 12yrs and promoted to lance sergeant,on 27-1-1897.
promoted to sergeant,1-9-1898
went to south africa,15-3-1900 till 26-10-1902[reduced to corporal,on 6-8-1902]
awarded QSA medal,clasps cape colony,wittenberg and transvaal.KSA medal,clasps 1901 and 1902.
re-engaged on 21-8-1902 with the rank of corporal
promoted to sergeant/cook on 1-7-1904
reverted to cook on 2-2-1909
discharged on 2-9-1909 after 18yrs service.
WW1
4/2952 edward wade
enlisted on 7-9-1914.
12th manchesters.
131 graeme st,moss side
promoted sergeant 7-9-14
promoted acting CSM 6-10-14
posted to 21st battalion 6-12-14
promoted RSM 11-4-15
disembarked in france,on 10-11-15,till 22-7-17
posted to 3rd batt 9-8-17[at home]
posted to 4th batt 22-6-18
discharged with rheumatism+deafness on 29-3-18,[he was living in cleethorpes]
awarded MSM,gazetted 29-12-16
mentioned in despatches on 12-6-16,for gallant and distinguished conduct in the field.
do you want a picture of your great grandfather.
theres another MIC listed under 2952 edward wade
SWB roll,H/686/1,theres a question mark against this number
pension record,under 2952 edward wade.
mack ;D
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A warm hello to everyone,
Sorry my response is delayed - visitors and grandchildren and all that!
I am overwhelmed at all this information and keep reading it all over and over again to soak it in. I would never have got anywhere without you all.
Thanks to Chris, Wendi, Roy and Mack - and anyone I might have missed. This is a wonderful start to my search.
Mack I would love a photo. That would be amazing.
Cant get over how lucky I was to find this site.
Kind regards, Robinetta
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Robinetta I'm so glad you picked up your replies !
nearly brought me to tears when mack asked if you wanted a photo - he did that for me many years ago - it was a great moment! I still to this day, treasure the only photo I have of my Great Uncle, which mack gave me
Glad you found us too !
Wendi :)
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chris has a copy of the picture,ime sure he will be glad to post it on here.
RSM wade was pictured with the rest of the senior NCOs of the 21st manchesters, in the manchester book of honour.
can some kind soul,with access to ancestry,send robinetta a copy of his pension record.
theres a lot more info in it.
thanks guys.
mack ;D
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here you go!
(http://harribobs.smugmug.com/photos/373257256_VT3Uw-O.jpg)
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thats a great picture of RSM wade chris,good work mate.
mack
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Good evening to all
What a great photo. Have no idea which of those wonderful people is my Great Grandfather as none of my surviving relatives have photos, but nevertheless, it is so exciting to me to know he is on that picture.
Brilliant and thanks.
Robinetta
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Hello again
Just a quick query. I know my Great Grandfather was on the island of Guernsey in 1905. Does anyone think this might have been something that was related to his Regiment? Was there a base in Guernsey?
Robinetta
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i think i know which one he is but i will let one of the uniform experts make their comments first
re guernsey, yes the regiment went there after the boer war
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Hi Chris - and thanks again
Another piece of my family puzzle in place with the Guernsey info. Can't wait to see the face of my Great Grandfather.
Regards,
Robinetta
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Good evening to all
What a great photo. Have no idea which of those wonderful people is my Great Grandfather as none of my surviving relatives have photos, but nevertheless, it is so exciting to me to know he is on that picture.
Brilliant and thanks.
Robinetta
your great grandfather,is the man sat dead centre on the front row,hes flanked by the officers.
mack
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Hello
I am truly amazed and excited. Thank you so much. What a day!
Robinetta
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Hi Chris - and thanks again
Another piece of my family puzzle in place with the Guernsey info. Can't wait to see the face of my Great Grandfather.
Regards,
Robinetta
chris is spot on,he went to guernsey after the boer war.
1898 in manchester
10-6-99 arrived at lichfield camp
9-12-99 arrived in dublin
16-3-1900 sailed for south africa,on the SS bavaria
1902 returned from south africa,on the SS michigan and went to aldershot camp.
24-9-1904 arrived on guernsey.
mack
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so are we agreed this is he?
;D
( a better quality pic for you robinetta, click the photo for larger and then right click and save image)
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so are we agreed this is he?
;D
( a better quality pic for you robinetta, click the photo for larger and then right click and save image)
thats him mate.
good work chris,thats a great picture.
mack
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Hello
The picture is brilliant. Are we sure this is him as I thought Mack had said he was dead centre and this is the man just left of centre. (Would prefer him though as he has a much softer look!!) I am sure you are right, but just needed to check so please dont be miffed!?
Robinetta
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Hello
Forgot to mention my conversation with my Aunt yesterday when I gave her all the news I had from you all - she did not know my Great Grandfather (her Grandfather) as she was born after he died. Giving her all the info jogged a memory for her and she recalls family talk about her own Father - son of RSM Wade. She said he had joined the army and played some kind of a roll in the Great War? I am sure this would not have been the case as he would only had been aged 15 at the end of the war. His name was Walter Hugh Wade and he was born in 1903. Does anyone know if he also may have joined the Regiment at some point.
I wait in anticipation,
Kind regards,
Robinetta
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Robinetta !
I am charmed to meet your Great Grandfather. They were as RSM's expected to be fearsome but I'm sure if you'd been a kiddie crawling round of the floor he'd have been a pussycat :) I know the face hair takes some kinda getting used to these days but it was the fashion 100 years ago
So happy that you have a photo of him, it's really special
Thanks guys !
Wendi :)
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Wendi
Thanks Wendi. When I first typed my request on the Forum, I suppose all I was expecting was confirmation of an initial, or even a name but to get all the info and the wonderful photo - wow. It gives you a strange feeling looking into the face of someone you never knew, but who helped shape the world and your own family.
Well done all,
Robinetta
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oh he's dead centre of the battalion ;D
the officers might have had the odd moment when they thought they were in charge......
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Hello
Forgot to mention my conversation with my Aunt yesterday when I gave her all the news I had from you all - she did not know my Great Grandfather (her Grandfather) as she was born after he died. Giving her all the info jogged a memory for her and she recalls family talk about her own Father - son of RSM Wade. She said he had joined the army and played some kind of a roll in the Great War? I am sure this would not have been the case as he would only had been aged 15 at the end of the war. His name was Walter Hugh Wade and he was born in 1903. Does anyone know if he also may have joined the Regiment at some point.
I wait in anticipation,
Kind regards,
Robinetta
Hi again,
Just wondered if anyone had any ideas about this one or should I post it as a new thread? Not sure what to do?
Regards,
Robinetta
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Wendi
Thanks Wendi. When I first typed my request on the Forum, I suppose all I was expecting was confirmation of an initial, or even a name but to get all the info and the wonderful photo - wow. It gives you a strange feeling looking into the face of someone you never knew, but who helped shape the world and your own family.
Well done all,
Robinetta
sorry we couldnt be much help ;D ;D ;D.
albeit your mum was pleased to see a picture of her granddad as well.
walter[jnrs] records will probably be up in scotland,one of the gang will advise you how to go about getting them.
mack
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Thanks Mack
Look forward to hearing anything about Grandfather - Walter Wade from 'the gang'.
Regards,
Robinetta
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My mum told me never to get involved with Gangs ::)
Robinetta, I think what mack is trying to say is that it's more lightly that Walter saw service from the age of 18 onwards, so probably was in the Army after 1920, his service record would then be retained by the MOD and obtainable to next of kin via this link to the Veterans Agency in Glasgow, however is costs £30 to apply :-\
Wendi :)
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Hi Wendi
You have all inspired me to try and search harder and I have managed to find Walter Wade all by myself! Well, before I get too big for my boots - I will say I have found a Walter Wade in the Manchester Regiment. I really did not know about Medal Index Cards till finding your site and reading your information so I stumbled a bit ??? but I managed to look it up!
Walter Wade, number 52671 (it looks like this on the actual document but has been transcribed as 52621?). Enlisted 08.09.17 and discharged on 16.07.18. Cause of discharge Para 392/XVI. Dpt. Manch. Rgt. and Rank states Boy?
What do you think?
Regards, Robinetta
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Hi Robinetta, I have to warn you in my experience inspiration can turn to addiction ;D
You have been uniquely lucky although I suggest not so lucky for Walter :-\ You see this is a Medal Index Card, but it is for a Silver War Badge (as opposed to the other type of MIC we usually see for overseas service) this one is awarded for wound or sickness either at home or overseas..........
So all the above together with the "Boy" I think he is yours, and perhaps the Index reference and the Cause of discharge can tell you more.....
Wendi :)
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PS I think you are right his number is 52671 and under 18 until the Armistice he would have not, legally been allowed to go, abroad, into the field of battle.
Wendi :)
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Hi Wendi
You see you are making me addicted!!! ;D
Thanks for all the additional info. Had no idea that my Grandfather, Walter Wade, was enlisted at such an early age. Probably something to do with his father, RSM Wade possibly?! Wanting him to follow in his footsteps?!
This has been a real journey. Thanks for guiding me along the way.
Kind regards,
Robinetta
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Hello Robinetta, I have just come on line to the site after a while way. What a link to land in on!*!* It assures me of the greatness of the site and the people on here. Congratulations on finding Walter! You can carry on from there! You will be helping us out before long! Thats how I started as well. One day I was looking for Grandad, a while later I had all the info there is about him. Even down to a letter he wrote. Fantastic bunch of folk to hang out with!
King regards
tisgrannie
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See you around :)
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Hi Tisgrannie
Glad you are safely back after your "time away". You are quite right about the "greatness of the site" too. Fancy you coming on site to look for your Grandad - and still being here! You never know, I might follow in your footsteps! Although I am sure I am not that clever but as Wendi pointed out, and I agree, this really is addictive stuff and this is a wonderful place to be addictive! I am so enjoying hanging out with this "bunch of folk" and will be sad when I have got no more questions to ask.
King regards,
Robinetta
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This site addictive ??? no ;D ;D
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I am so enjoying hanging out with this "bunch of folk" and will be sad when I have got no more questions to ask.
And in there lies the addictiveness 'cos you'll find yourself helping others with what you have learned before you stop asking questions yourself ;D .......... well hopefully, anyway !!!
Wendi :)
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Hi Wendi and All
Yes I hope so too. I have to spend some time collating all the information and printing things off but I will be keeping an eye on you all and visiting regularly.
Thanks and kind regards,
Robinetta