Author Topic: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.  (Read 2041 times)

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Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« on: February 15, 2019, 07:36:54 PM »
Hello from Australia. Thankyou for the warm welcome, as someone new to family research, it was reassuring  :). I recently found my great grandfather’s war record. I am having trouble finding out what exactly he did. On one of his pages it states that he was a POW boy but all I can find about the 3rd is they were a home front Battalion? Also I found a Kings Own badge amongst my father’s things. Could this be my great grandfather’s? Any insights into my grandfather’s war would be very much appreciated. Di

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2019, 01:20:45 AM »
welcome to the forum
your grandfather was in the 10th manchesters attatched to the 154th prisoner of war company,he was guarding german POWs
born 29-11-1882
resided 206 middleton rd,royton,by 1940 he had moved next door to No208
he died a few days before his 82nd birthday at royley house nursing home,royton
your grandmother passed away the previous year
resided 13 dale square,royton
they are buried togethor in royton cemetery.section 2P.grave 4887

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2019, 01:37:48 AM »
Wow! Thankyou Mack! Do you know where the prisoners were being held?

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 03:32:31 AM »
Wow! Thankyou Mack! Do you know where the prisoners were being held?
sorry I don't know,but one of our moderators monsstar may be of help,he knows a lot about the labour companies that the POW companies came under

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2019, 04:29:43 AM »
Thanks so much for your help Mack. We are visiting at the end of the year and I will be sure to visit my great grandparents graves.

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2019, 01:29:59 PM »
his younger brother ralph served in the royal navy from 16-3-17 till 21-3-18.service number 226978
ralph is buried in a lone grave in Chadderton cemetery.section NB.grave 77.
he was living at 426 park rd chadderton at the time
died late may 1951


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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2019, 04:44:16 PM »
Welcome to the forum Di
Your Great Grandfather served with 161 PoW Company before he served with 154 PoW Coy.
From his service record he was sent on leave to the UK from 161 Coy on 06.07.1919 till 20.07.1919 and then he was posted to 154 Coy on 20.09.1919.
The whereabouts of 154 Coy is given in his record - circled in blue. I can‘t decipher the place name but it looks to end with „elle“

Charlie


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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 05:53:57 PM »
I missed that Charlie,i think its souville

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2019, 07:07:33 PM »
Well done Mack, Souville it is, Verdun is where one would expect PoWs to be employed.
Charlie

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2019, 09:23:05 PM »
Wow guys! Thankyou so much! My dad always said that no one in our family had fought in any of the wars, so this has been a really interesting week! I couldn’t’t see those details on the copy that I got from ancestry and I didn’t know about his brother. I am wondering if you can recommend a book that would give me some insight into Oldham and/or the Manchester’s. Also, if it isn’t too much trouble, what are your thoughts on the Kings Own badge that I have? Sorry...I haven’t been able to upload a picture. Di

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2019, 08:51:59 AM »
I expect your G Grandfather spent some time at an Infantry Base Depot in France when he was posted to the BEF on 27.11.1918 as he did not join the 1/10th till 04.12.1918. On 15.05.1919 he was posted to the BEF Details Battalion, which I presume was a holding unit for men from different regiments who were to remain in France. Judging by the battalion‘s name I expect the men were employed on all sorts of different tasks and I guess that this is when he was attached to a PoW Company.

There is a very good history of the 1/10th Bn, „Amateur Soldiers - A history of Oldham‘s Volunteers and Territorials, 1859-1938“ by KW Mitchinson, ISBN 0-9518098-9-X. It is possibly now out of print.

As you have access to Ancestry, the Bn War Diary covers the period during which he served with the Bn. As the Bn was in the process of demobilization and had left France by 04.04.1918, the War Diary is mainly concerned with the daily routine and how many men had returned to the UK.

As your G Grandfather didn‘t, as far as one can tell, serve with the King‘s Own, it could well be just a souvenier.

Charlie


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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2019, 09:46:27 AM »
Thankyou so much Charlie for your insight. I will try and get a copy of ‘Amateur Soldiers’. Di

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2019, 12:36:32 PM »
Hi Di

There are some for sale on Amazon UK not sure if you can access from Australia though.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amateur-Soldiers-Volunteers-Territorials-1859-1938/dp/095180989X

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2019, 06:39:47 PM »
Thankyou Timberman, yes there was but no they dont post to Australia. I got one from Abe books. Thanks 😊

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Re: Fred Cartwright, 75981, 3rd, 1/10 Battalion, 154th Company.
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2019, 07:27:55 PM »
Thanks for all your help everyone. I am wondering if my great grandfather would have received medals, as I can’t find his medal card record. Di