Author Topic: Bernard Fisher 2130 1st/7th Battalion & James O'Gara 8486 2nd Battalion  (Read 159 times)

Offline davidfiog

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Just introducing myself, David from Birmingham UK just joined your Forum thanks.  My interest is my family members from the Regiment, who died in 1915
My Great Uncle was;

Bernard Fisher 2130, 1st/7th Bn., Manchester Regiment who died on 29 May 1915

and his mother, my Great Grandmother fostered, perhaps was related to;

James O'Gara 8486, 2nd Bn., Manchester Regiment who died on 05 March 1915

I have their war medals but nothing else.  Any advice or thoughts for a new member would be much appreciated. 
Thanks
David


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Offline mack

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Re: Bernard Fisher 2130 1st/7th Battalion & James O'Gara 8486 2nd Battalion
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2018, 11:04:18 PM »
hiya dave welcome to the forum

2130 Bernard fisher
11 charlotte st,chorlton on medlock
occupation moulder
aged 18

mack

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Re: Bernard Fisher 2130 1st/7th Battalion & James O'Gara 8486 2nd Battalion
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2018, 07:28:51 PM »
Hi Dave
Welcome to the forum.

James O'Gara was a regular soldier, he enlisted in 1903 ? and served with the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Battalions.
When he died the sole beneficiary was a Katherine Fisher who was his adopted mother. This was even though
he had a wife.

He went to France 26th September 1914 and was entitled to the 1914 star, Victory and British medals.
On his medal index card he is listed as with the 1st Battalion but he died with the 2nd.

If you go on Ancestry you will find his service records. These include letters from Katherine Fisher.

I think this weekend there is free access on Ancestry.

I'll have a look in the War Diaries and let you know what the 2nd were doing when he died.

Name:   James O'Gara
Birth Place:   Didsbury, Manchester
Residence:   Hulme, Manchester
Death Date:   5 Mar 1915
Death Place:   France and Flanders
Enlistment Place:   Ashton-under-lyne, Lancs
Rank:   Private
Regiment:   Manchester Regiment
Battalion:   2nd Battalion
Regimental Number:   8486
Type of Casualty:   Killed in action
Theatre of War:   Western European Theatre

Good luck with your research.

Timberman

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Re: Bernard Fisher 2130 1st/7th Battalion & James O'Gara 8486 2nd Battalion
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 10:01:05 PM »
Many thanks, much appreciated

David

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Re: Bernard Fisher 2130 1st/7th Battalion & James O'Gara 8486 2nd Battalion
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2018, 11:46:56 AM »
                                       8486 Pte J.O'Gara : 2nd Bn.Manchester Regt. : Buried Ration Farm (La Plus Douve) Annexe Cem.  Kia 5th March 1915.

As far as I can ascertain, the 2nd Manchesters from January 1915 until March 1915 occupied trenches in the area of La Petite Farm and billets at Neuve Eglise south of Ypres.   However, although conditions in the line "were quiet", the battalion reports that normal "wastage" was always going on.   For example, during their last turn of duty in the trenches in March, eight Other Ranks were killed.   PhilipG.

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Re: Bernard Fisher 2130 1st/7th Battalion & James O'Gara 8486 2nd Battalion
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2018, 01:01:01 PM »
                              2130 Pte Bernard Fisher :7th Bn. Manchester Regt. :  Buried Redoubt Cemetery, Helles : Kia 29th May 1915.

The 7th Manchesters were part of the 42nd (East Lancashire) Division, the 5th, 6th & 8th Manchesters completing the formation of the 127th Brigade of that division.

On the 27th May 1915, in preparation for a forthcoming attack on the Turkish trenches, orders were given by Corps that the first line trenches of the Division were to be brought within assaulting distance of the enemy's positions.   Unfortunately, it was later discovered that mistakes had been made during the darkness, for in places, the new line had been dug up to 150 yards short of the required position.  Accordingly, on the night of the 28th/29th May a fresh advance to rectify the mistakes was undertaken by troops of the 127th Brigade and numerous casualties were incurred, possibly including Pte. Fisher.

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Re: Bernard Fisher 2130 1st/7th Battalion & James O'Gara 8486 2nd Battalion
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2018, 10:58:34 AM »
David,

Following some further research concerning Pte O'Gara, I find that the battalion was in trenches in the area of La Petite Douvre Farm.    I have found its location to be adjacent to the River Douvre north of Ploegsteert and south of Mesen along the Ypres - Armentieres road. I trust this info. is of help.   PhilipG.