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Offline warthma

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Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« on: August 29, 2018, 01:05:26 PM »
I am trying to find information about my wife's uncle Private John Knox who was a pow after the fall of Sigapore. He was in the 1st Manchester Regiment.

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Re: Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2018, 11:11:08 AM »
Could this be him.
For some reason I only have a copy of the front of the attached POW Record.
If you can confirm it is him I will see what else I can find for you.
Try contacting TBRC and ask them if they have any information on him, you may be surprised how much they can provide:
 http://www.tbrconline.com/

Do you have any photographs of him?

Cliff
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Re: Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2018, 01:14:53 PM »
Hello Rafboy and many thanks for your reply. Yes this is definitely the man. We do have his number and I can tell you he did survive the war albeit a broken man who lived with his mother until his death in 1963. We are keen to discover which camps he was in and some idea of his movements and if he was involved in the in the railway building. Sadly no other family members have any knowledge of this. Just one of many, many sad tales. I will look at the TBRC site as I was not aware it existed.
Thanks again and any further help will be much appreciated of course.

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Re: Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2018, 02:29:16 PM »
My brief notes are that he travelled overland into Thailand with 'V' Force and therefore was no doubt involved in the construction of the railway.

If Rafboy can find his papers it will confirm camps.

regards

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Re: Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2018, 10:29:49 AM »
Many thanks for that information. We were not aware of him being in V Force so that helps with the picture building. We presumed he would have been involved in the Railway but could never be sure.

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Re: Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2018, 01:13:30 PM »
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
Being in "V" Force he would definitely have been on the "Railway".
I am sure you will get a lot more information on the camps he was in etc from TBRC, I could not find any more on him in the few documents that I have

You may like to contact the Regiment Archive at: https://www.tameside.gov.uk/archives/manchesterregiment they will have some information on him including a couple of documents that you should be able to get copies of.
1) The First Battalion The Manchester Regiment Malaya, Thailand, Burma 1939 ~ 1945. Reference MR1/3/1/18. There will be a small charge for this but it well worth getting.
2) He should be on a page from the "Order of Battle" An extract from 1st Bn Campaign Malaya 1941 - 42 Reference MR1/3/1/15. I only have the page with my father on and he is not on it.
3) He will also show up in the "Nominal Roll" Reference MR1/8/13 This will show his Next of Kin's address and a code which will confirm he went Overland and with "V" Force, the code will look something like CHA.OVL/V and the date V Force left Singapore. Again I only have a page with initial "P" men's names on.

I am going to attach 2 photos of Groups POW's taken in Singapore, a few have been identified all of which are "Manchester's". Not all of the Regiment are in these groups though. If you want higher resolution copies which can be magnified so that the men's faces can be seen clearly PM me with an email address and I will send them to you, the files are too large for the Forum. Have a look at the Forum section "Photos and Postcards by Battalion", scroll down to "Far East Photos" the look at "Changi and Pictures from the Far East". The 2 "POW GROUP" photos are at the bottom of page 2. The 1st Battalion Malaya ones are from the Battalions  (And my)  time there 1951/54.
The POW Group photos were definitely taken in Singapore before my father was shipped to Formosa (Taiwan) on 28th October 1942, others in the photo were sent up country on to the Railway. I have not been able to identify where the photos were taken but have only just noticed (I'm a bit slow) from a book I have that the party shipped to Taiwan on 28th October 1942 left from River Valley Road and Tanjong  Rhu. The book is "The Story of Changi Singapore" by David Nelson ISBN 0 9503243-0-2 and cost 28 Singapore $ several years ago. Unless you are into detailed research I would not recommend it, I was given my copy.   

Best of luck and please let us know how you get on finding more information.
Cliff 
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Re: Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2018, 03:03:50 PM »
Once again very many thanks. The photos are very interesting. On first look through them we are unsure of whether John Knox is on them but we will continue to look carefully. I will be following up your suggestions regarding the other possible sources. Regards.

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Re: Pow taken after fall of Singapore
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2018, 04:50:20 PM »
I have sent you a PM.
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