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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2018, 06:54:51 PM »
Who is 2nd Lt R Jones?
Att to 16th Bttn in command of D Coy to Festubert on 3/9/1916. Wounded Flers 12/10/1916 Awarded M C 6/6/1917.
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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2018, 02:19:22 PM »
A L/Cpl 2201 Richard Jones of KLR was commissioned 2/Lt 29/12/1915.  Served in Manchesters and later att to Labour Corps and then RFC/RAF.  His MIC specifies MC Award. It seems this was from 1917 Birthday Honours
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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2018, 06:33:41 PM »
Thanks Neil,
I should have looked at the PoW Database! http://www.themanchesters.org/pow.htm
15 Strand on Green, Chiswick, London
Born Cambridge   09.01.1892
I can't find him on other records.
2/Lt cannon was billeted in the same room as 2/Lts Rathbone+ringham in block II at mainz POW camp

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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2018, 06:52:29 PM »
Harry Vivian Taylor MC is proving elusinve.  I'm trying to find when he arrived with 17th Bttn.  He was entitled to a Star, but was not mentioned in the records until much later.  The Star may be wrong, or he previously kept a very low proile, or was posted eleswhere.  I guess he arrived July - October 1916, with tenuous evidence.  Any thoughts are welcome and here are my notes:-

2nd Lieutenant Harry Vivian Taylor MC (b25/2/1894) Harry was entitled to a 1914-15 Star for entry in France prior to 19/12/1915. A Harry Taylor was commissioned in the Infantry (Large group PBS?) on 3/4/1915 (LG 2/4/1915) Harry Taylor was gazetted for his MC on 26/5/17.  Harry was later promoted to Captain d/20/7/1917.  A/major as A/2iC 5/10/1917. He was originally posted missing and presumably assumed killed on 22/3/18 near St Quentin.  He is buried in Savy Cemetery.  Aged 24, Harry was the son of Henry and Elizabeth Taylor, of “Netherly,” Rivington Road, Pendleton. Born 29/1/1894. Harry has originally enlisted Pte in the 20th (Public Schools) Battalion Royal Fusiliers Number 5746. Attended Salford Municipal School for Boys. He was Chemistry Student resident Pendleton in 1911. He is commemorated on the Memorial Plaque at St James Church Hall, Eccles Old Road, Hope.  Also Old Salfordians Memorial and Poss All Saints Wesate.   MC 26/5/1917. Harry returned to the Bttn 15/8/1917 and taken on strength. A/Capt appointed 2iC 20/9/1917. To England for Instructors Course in Aldershot 16/11/1917.  Missing KIA 22/3/1918.
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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2018, 12:32:36 PM »
Harry Taylor received his MC in LG 25/5/1917.  This was for taking 6 machine guns, which seems too late for Flers (17th Bttn) and didn't happen there any way.

I'm thinking Harry  may have transferred from another Bttn.  A/RSM John Hargreaves (22nd Bttn) is on the same LG page and I wonder if their awards were for the same action.  11th January 1917 attack on Munich Trench fits for both. http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=3398.15

I can't see Harry in the 22nd Bttn War Diary.  Are there any 22nd experts who may know more.

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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2018, 04:50:22 PM »
Hi Tim,
Harry Taylor was awarded his MC for Francilly-Selency while serving with the 2nd Bn.
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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2018, 05:49:20 PM »
Well done Charlie,
The War Diary  mentions him in the report for 2nd April.  "Capture of a German 77mm Battery Francilly-Selency.  April 2nd 1917"

"...Punctually at zero hour, with the first streak of dawn, the line advacned to the attack and was immediatley met by heavy rifles and machine gun fire.
This came principally from the Quarry and therefore A Coy suffered most. 2/Lt H Taylor who was in command of the two platoons of A Coy at once changed direction half right and attacked the Quarry on the flank which he captured taking 4 machine guns and in addition 2 more machine guns in a trench adjoining the quarry..."

A VC ws awarded to Major F W Lumsden and 4 MC, including Harry Taylor's.  1 DCM.

Harry was not on the wounded list

Where do you find this version of the MC Awards?

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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2018, 06:14:21 PM »
Tim,
They are available among the free downloads at the NA, see my post and the link here
http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=9127.0

Charlie

The action was discussed in more detail in this thread http://themanchesters.org/forum/index.php?topic=9415.0
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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2018, 07:56:29 PM »
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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2018, 09:16:24 AM »
Adjt Capt John Duncan
Does anyone know more about the background of John Duncan?  He was Temp CO for a spell in 1918.  Here's my confused notes.
Lt John Duncan. Cpl to be 2nd Lt 14/101/915.  Comm 7th Bttn. France14/10/1916. att 17th Bttn 27/10/1916.  Later Capt. Adjutant effective 2/2/1917 (WD 22/8/1917). HQ Adjt 23/4/1917 Heninel. Absorbed in 17th Bttn from 7th 22/9/1917 as T/Lt. Leave in UK 24/2/1918. Took Command 27-31/3/1918 when JJW Hosp & Keefe KiA. To Hosp sick 16/4/1918. Returned to duty 28/4/1918. MiD May 1918. T/Capt WEF 28/1/1918. Resident Stoke on Trent in 1921. Photo - Cartman
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Re: Help identifying 17th Bttn Officers
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2018, 01:31:40 PM »
Thanks to Mack for info on Cannon.

My next puzzle is:-
2nd Lt F A Rayner/Raynor unidentified taken on strength 17th Bttn 9/11/1916. 2nd Lt  B Coy Wounded Heninel  23/4/1917. Promoted Lt 5/3/1918. survived no SWB.

Any help appreciated.
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