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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2017, 06:36:36 PM »
Hi Caroline

If you are coming to London and visiting the National Archives let us know as I could meet up there and give you some help with your research.

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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2017, 11:24:24 AM »
In the matter of whether or not a Royal Navy ship should carry the prefix "H.M.S." or "H.M.T." is not easy to ascertain. For instance, it would appear that the Otranto was entitled to the prefix "H.M.S." as it was originally commissioned as an armed merchant cruiser, only in later years to operate as a troopship.

Further confusion followed.  I researched the WW2 commandeered  Belgian trawler "Rubens", a Royal Navy vessel attacked and sunk in February 1941 by a Focke Wulf 200 Condor, an attack in which all hands were lost, including my friend.  I note that this vessel is sometimes given the prefix "H.M.S." and at other times "H.M.T." which is, I presume, intended to indicate that the letter "T" stands for trawler!

Unless absolutely certain of a ship's status, I tend always to take the easy way and describe such vessels as say, "HM trawler 'Rubens' or in the case of submarines, as an example, ' HM submarine L.21'."    PhilipG.

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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2017, 07:07:48 PM »
I also looked up ships prefixes on wikipedia  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix It said that HMT was Hired Military Transport for UK ships and was now retired as a prefix.  Seems weird when HM (apart from this one instance) always stands for His/Her Majesty e.g HMHS  is His Majesties Hospital Ships.

Any advice gratefully received:
You will notice that a couple of Frank's recent diary entries have question marks in them - both my inability to read as well as understand what he has said.

Does anyone know a good way of looking up soldiers from WWI?  I use Ancestry.co.uk and also the National Archives - but it seems that without their number and regiment - it is almost impossible.  Frank names a lot of 'Shaw lads', family members and other soldiers he served with in his diary and I am drawing a blank trying to trace them.
Best Regards, Caroline

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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2017, 08:48:08 PM »
Caroline,
I understand from your previous posts that the „Shaw lads“ were serving alongside your Grandfather in the 13th Bn, post their names perhaps someone will be able to indentify them.

Re the abbreviation „2.R. & DA.“ in the entry for 21st Dec. I think that it is not an abbreviation but the Pennant numbers of the 3 „Torpedo Boats“ - 2., R. and 0A. (I‘m pretty sure it is not DA the D in Dec is too different). Which would make 2. the Ortolan or Slaney and 0A. the Canterbury, unfortunately R. is not listed.

http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishShips-Dittmar6PendantNos.htm

Charlie
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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2017, 12:47:06 AM »
Charlie, Thanks for your suggestion.  Here are the names of the soldiers Frank mentions serving with. Any information on any of them - gratefully received.

Lieutenant Rowe (said goodbye just after arriving in Salonika)
Dickinson (no first name) from Shaw
Bob Prenty
Charlie Wild
David Hallsworth
Jack Serlook (not sure about surname).  Frank really likes him & says he is 'more a Christian than many self-professed Christians')
Harry Oliver (Shaw)
Patrick Garret
Harry Taylor
Joe Harrison
Lieutenant Walwork
Joe Cheetham (from Shaw)
Lieutenant Barbie or Parker?
Charlie Caithness
GH Thompson
Staff-Captain Fox - 6th Battalion?
W Tompkinson died in hospital Sept 8th 1918
George Dryson (from Shaw), Sergeant Gordon & Lieutenant Fazacilay killed Oct 9th 1918
2nd Lieutenant Hobbs killed Oct 10th 1918 (had Frank's water bottle)
W Hilton
Lieutenant Smith & Richards both killed Oct 19th, 1918




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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2017, 10:05:21 AM »
W Tomkinson

Pte William, 5098, 13th & 9th Bns, died in hospital in France 07.09.1918, from Hulme Manchester, an original member of the 13th Bn.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/269052/tomkinson,-/

Perhaps someone can make out what is entered in Soldiers Effects, I‘m not sure if its the name of the hospital or what he died of.

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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2017, 10:22:02 AM »
Sgt Gordon

6011 Sgt William Gordon MM, 13th and 9th Bns, KiA 08.10.1918, an original member of the 13th Bn.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1742920/gordon,-william/

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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2017, 11:19:00 AM »
Charlie,

W.Tompkinson. May I offer Lobar pneumonia. PhilipG.

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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2017, 12:03:05 PM »
Charlie,

W.Tompkinson. May I offer Lobar pneumonia. PhilipG.

Yes, thank you Philip

George Dryson

36609 Pte George Dyson (no r), 13th & 9th Bns, KiA 08.10.1918, his War Gratuity indicates he  enlisted or was mobilized in June 1916.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/588184/dyson,-george/


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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2017, 12:33:45 PM »
Lt. Fazacilay.
I offer 2nd Lt. Jospeh Fazackerley   13th Manchesters. DOW 24.10.18. Buried Mont Huon Military Cemetery. Le Treport.   PhilipG.

Previously 2480 Pte 1/5th Bn Liverpool Regt, renumbered 200615 in 1917, to France 21.02.1915, discharged to Commission 29.05.1917
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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2017, 12:43:14 PM »
Lt Smith

2/Lt Henry Smith, previously 2495 Pte H Smith Notts and Derby Regt, went to France 01.03.1915, discharged to Commission 29.5.1917, Commissioned into 13th Bn, KiA 19.10.1918.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/324345/smith,-henry/

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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2017, 02:17:22 PM »
Lt Richards

The only Lt Richards I could find in the CWGC records is 2/Lt W E Richards, 3rd Bn Royal Sussex Regt, who died of wounds on 11.12.1918. 3/Royal Sussex Regt was a Depot/Training Bn which remained in the UK throughout the war. It is quite possible that he was Commissioned into the Royal Sussex Regt and was attached to another Regiment.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/660490/richards,-/

2/Lt Hobbs

Lt Richard John Walmsley Hibbs, formerly 9392 Pte Hibbs, Inns of Court Officer Training Corps, Commissioned into 22nd Bn Manchester Regt, to France 20.01.1917, KiA 08.10.1918 with the 9th Bn.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/588201/hibbs,-richard-john-walmsley/


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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2017, 03:01:10 PM »
Bob Prenty - 304090 Pte Robert Prenty 13th and 9th Bns later 69509 Cheshire Regt.

David Hailsworth - 304086 Pte David Russell Hallsworth, 13th & 9th Bns

Jack Serlook - 304099 Pte John Sherlock, 13th Bn and 45692 Kings Shropshire Light Infantry

GH Thompson - 14057 Pte George Henry Thompson, 13th & 9th Bns
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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »
Captain Fox

two served with the 2/6th Bn, Charles Henry & Gilbert Wheaton. Do you have a date or more information that may help to establish the correct one.

Charlie

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Re: HELLO Frank's Diary 1917-18
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2017, 09:10:17 PM »
Lt Walwork

Lt, later Captain, Ernest Wallwork