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2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« on: November 27, 2017, 02:25:51 PM »
This Officer was a former pupil of Merchiston Castle to 1915.  He joined the Artists Rifles on 24/4/1915 and commissioned in 2/8th Bttn, then went overseas with 2/5th Bttn in May 1917.  He was evacuated with Shell Shock after been blown up by a minewefer at La Basse/Cambrin on 6th April 1917.  He found himself back in Edinburgh at Craiglockhart on 6th June.  He was soon discharged from the Army and received a Pension.

I can't find the War Diary for 2/5th Bttn on Ancestry and wonder if anyone can provide the entry for 6th April 1917 please?

Noting similarities with Wilfred Owen, I wonder if Douglas Lauder is mentioned anywhere in the Owen archives?

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 04:41:38 PM »
Tim,

It's worth a try.  Contact Craiglockhart. (I presume you mean La Bassee/Cambrin).  PhilipG.

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2017, 04:58:34 PM »
Tim,
A link to the WD
http://ow.ly/dGah30gQgLx

The entry is attached
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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2017, 05:24:37 PM »
Thanks Charlie,
I can't deal with the ancestry indexing apperently.
Thanks Phillip,
Cambrin now stands corrected.  Who do I ask about Craiglockhart? 
Tim
ps Sassoon's Dr Rivers also treated Douglas Lauder.
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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 09:47:09 AM »
Tim,


   Suggest you telephone Napier Univ. 0333 900 6040 Extn 4 and ask for details regarding contacting the archivist who deals with the Owen history. PhilipG.

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2017, 10:30:14 AM »
Tim,

I wonder whether or not you have found contacting Napier Univ. of help.  PhilipG.

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 11:38:12 AM »
Hi Phillip,
No time this week I'm afraid...
Tim
ps I've now sent an email to the archivist and will let you know what I hear.
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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 01:44:21 PM »
Tim,

Any luck?  PhilipG.

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 12:40:13 PM »
The Archivist was very helpful and we compared notes.  This is what Catherine found:-

2nd Lt. 2/5 Manchester Regiment
20 years old
Admitted 06.06.1917
Discharged  31.10.1917

147 days under treatment for neurasthenia
Discharged medically unfit
Other hospitals were 4th London General
And he transferred to Bowhill, one of our auxiliary hospitals, on 04.07.1917

The Hydra:Journal of the Craiglockhart War Hospital, No 5, June 23rd 1917. It is listing under Lieuts: D. Lauder, Manchester Regiment but the Admission Book lists Douglas Lauder as a 2nd Lt.  so the  Hydra entry is incorrect, as your information confirms that he was a 2nd Lt.

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 03:52:06 PM »
Tim,

I note and thank you.  As regards the rank of this officer, it would be appropriate to see in what context he is listed in the Journal before giving an opinion.  It may be that whilst at Craiglockhart he was promoted during the 147 days he was receiving treatment.   PhilipG.

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 07:43:53 PM »
According to the LG he resigned his Commission while a 2/Lt and was granted the hon. rank of 2/Lt.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30390/supplement/11993

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 03:25:02 PM »
Charlie,

Thank you.  As mentioned above the context is important.  In WW2 I found military courtesies to be a minefield and one in which it was advisable to consider calling one's superiors "sir".     Although for the Master at Arms, who was a Chief P.O., he was to be addressed as "Master" and not "Chief".   (In '43 escorted by a Leading  Sick Berth Attendant I appeared before a Surgeon Rear Admiral.  On the few occasions I was allowed to speak I called him "sir".   I must have done the right thing for he awarded me 14 days sick leave.  Once I appeared as "Prisoner's friend" before a Commodore RN.  Frightening.)    PhilipG.

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Re: 2/Lt Douglas Munro Lauder 2/5th Bttn
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 09:40:18 AM »
Thank you Philip,
Your anecdotes regarding service life in ww2 never fail to bring a smile to my face, you should compile them in a book.

Charlie