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Offline Pj

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Need help understanding timelines
« on: June 04, 2017, 09:12:21 AM »
Hi, I have posted previously about my grandfather Kenneth W F White, but I need help in understanding Army procedure. Once someone enlists , how long  would training be before they are deployed or drafted. ? Particularly interested in 1st bn, sent to Singapore probably around August 1940. And if a private is made l/ cpl does that mean something happened to the other l/cpl? .sorry if I sound a bit dim on these matters.

Offline artyhughes

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2017, 02:52:50 PM »
Hi, I have posted previously about my grandfather Kenneth W F White, but I need help in understanding Army procedure. Once someone enlists , how long  would training be before they are deployed or drafted. ? Particularly interested in 1st bn, sent to Singapore probably around August 1940. And if a private is made l/ cpl does that mean something happened to the other l/cpl? .sorry if I sound a bit dim on these matters.

welcome to the forum PJ,maybe I can assist you on the points you have raised,when a soldier is enlisted into an infantry regiment he normally does six weeks basic training,drill,weapon training,PE and elementary infantry tactics,after six weeks and maybe a spot of leave he would then progress onto battle training,IE section,platoon company attacks,this part of his training lasted a further six weeks on completion he would then go to a holding unit(after leave)from the holding unit he would be drafted to his unit.At his new regiment he would go into a training company where the skills he had learnt were honed,if he was selected for specialist training machine gun,mortars,signal platoon,a/tanks,pioneers he would be posted to that platoon to learn his specialist skills.Promotion to the rank of L/Cpl is the first step up the ladder,there is an establishment in each regiment of how many officers,senior NCO's,junior NCO'a L/Cpl is a junior NCO.what might have happened to the vacancy that he was promoted to is any body's guess,previous holder could have been demoted for disciplinary reasons,or promoted to the rank of corporal,or even been discharged with ill health.Training in the army never finishes,there are constant exercises,parades,weapon training,PE and map reading,training never stops.
I hope I have enlightened you,

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 06:38:42 PM »
Many thanks,  also were service no's given in order of enlisting ?
E.g. The first in the queue would be given 296, the next 297 ?   
I'm just trying to work out the short movements of my grandfather . If my grandparents  were married end of oct 39,  and he enlisted about April 1940, did his training, was given leave about June/ July which was when my grandmother fell pregnant with my mother , just before Kenneth was sent straight to Singapore sept/oct and sadly never returned. It's been so hard trying to find out which specific unit he was in and what he actually did. If his occupation was listed as motor driver on his pow sheet would that definitely have been it , or is that code for machine gunner ?  I have read about the 1st bn 's  role in the war along the beaches , did they all do that?

Offline artyhughes

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2017, 07:41:06 PM »
PJ I cannot assist you with the allocation of regimental numbers,I am sure someone on the forum will come forward with the information you seek,in 1940 I was too young to enlist,as regards the notation on your grandfathers records as to his employment,motor driver would mean that he was employed in the motor transport platoon as a driver.each vickers MMG required a crew of 3 including the driver,when the MMG was moved from position to a new position the gun had to be dismantled and transported,with the necessary stores,spares,ammunition the crew and their equipment,motor transport was the answer.

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2017, 10:48:56 PM »
Yes, enlistment numbers at that time were consecutive.

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Offline rafboy

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2017, 10:03:40 AM »
Motor Driver would be his civilian occupation.
In pencil on both of my fathers POW Record Cards (he had 2 for some reason) it has his occupation as Ships carpenter, a translation of the Japanese on the card held at Kew (He had the other one) it translates to Shipwright.
Suggest you get in touch with the Regimental Archive and ask them what information they have on him, there should be several documents with his name on.
Cliff
Cliff P Son of 3525679 Sgt Arthur Phillips 1st Bn Manchester Regiment and RAPC

Offline Pj

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2017, 10:25:30 AM »
Thank you for all of your input, it is definitely helping me understand the army regime. And once again Cliff , just received the photos. X

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2017, 02:49:58 PM »
PJ,
The attached would indicate that your grandfather left Singapore Island on 27 October 1942 and went "overland", meaning that he was probably heading off to work on the Burma Railway.
Bob.B

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2017, 07:41:43 PM »
Thank you Bob, where do you find this info?

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Re: Need help understanding timelines
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2017, 04:29:47 PM »
PJ,
There is a document (over 70 pages) at The National Archives which lists all the Manchester Regt POWs and what became of them - it would appear to have been put together immediately after the war. Sorry I can't remember the reference number but you should be able to search for it on TNA website.
Bob.B