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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2019, 10:02:49 AM »
 
 Your welcome Philip

 I've also added on the post with his wife's letter
 that it came from his service records so people
 know the source, I should of done that in the
 first place.

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2019, 03:23:38 PM »

 Mack

 I found where he was treated.
 Captain Brown the medical officer, established a
 collecting station in a barn at Sainte Marguerite.
 The farm is not mentioned by name but this must
 be where the bodies were buried.
 There is no mention in the 14th Brigade diaries or
 the 2nd Bn diaries to confirm this.
 Captain Brown although taking a wrong road with
 several other members of the Battalion during the retreat
 from Bavia on the 25th of August had rejoined the Battalion
 later.

 Neil

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2019, 04:34:56 PM »
hiya guys
sorry if this looks like me raising an old thread,but it concerns one of these men,CSM 8731 james,gust morris,he was awarded the French medaille militaire,CSM morris was killed on 16th sept,which is only 3 weeks since their first action at le cateau,is this medal awarded posthumously,if not,then when and where did he earn it and when was it gazetted

mack

CQMS Morris was mentioned in FM Sir John French‘s dispatch of the 8th October 1914 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28942/data.pdf (page 8356). If I understand correctly the Mentions are for the period up till the 7th September. His MiD in the Medal Rolls and the Gazette wrongly give his number as 8734. I think it must be assumed that his Medaille Militaire was for the same period.

Having trawled the LG for a couple of hours I can‘t find any entry for his Medaille Militaire. Is there another source other than the CWGC that records the award ? According to the AWM the award of a Medaille Militaire automatically entitles the person to a Croix de Guerre is this correct?

Charlie



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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2019, 05:25:08 PM »

 Mack

 I found where he was treated.
 Captain Brown the medical officer, established a
 collecting station in a barn at Sainte Marguerite.
 The farm is not mentioned by name but this must
 be where the bodies were buried.
 There is no mention in the 14th Brigade diaries or
 the 2nd Bn diaries to confirm this.
 Captain Brown although taking a wrong road with
 several other members of the Battalion during the retreat
 from Bavia on the 25th of August had rejoined the Battalion
 later.

 Neil

mrs Rothwell seems to have been right,great find mate

mack

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2019, 05:39:10 PM »
Mack

I'm glad I found it :)

Neil

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2019, 05:55:05 PM »
Charlie

 I found this via the long long trail
 The French Journal Officiel is now searchable online. It includes announcements (in French language) of their awards to
 British soldiers. It is not the easiest site to search but persistence pays off!

 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb34378481r/date.r=.langEN

 No joy on my part.

 Neil
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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2019, 09:37:17 PM »
Neil,
Thanks for the link, I‘m not sure what any of it means but I‘ll have look :)

The barn is a great find, well done.

Charlie

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2019, 10:03:35 PM »
 Thanks Charlie.

 I had a look and worked out after going through
 some of the papers page by page, that you can
 do a search by years. I did 1914 with no luck
 I'll have another go later.

 Neil

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2019, 08:16:14 AM »
sgt Rothwell
on 9th October mrs Rothwell received news at her home on robinson st,ashton,that her husband sgt percy Rothwell has been killed in action on 16th September,mrs Rothwell had given birth to a healthy baby girl 5 days previously[4th oct]her happiness cast to the ground by the news of his death,she was completely prostrated with grief with the sad news
sgt Rothwell had gone through five engagements without a scratch,including the action at mons,it was during this action that he went to the aid of lance corporal mellor who had been lying out wounded on the field,and helped him off to hospital,the two men were workmates at parkbridge ironworks.the two always kept together as much as possible during the fighing

8520 Samuel mellor,20 minto st,ashton

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2019, 09:36:32 PM »
Just a thought on Julien Farm, I‘m wondering if Tommy called the farm something else rather than the French name. The French map from 1915 looks to record the locations of the farms in the area. The War Diary of 15 Field Ambulance records that it buried fatalities at Mont de Soissons Farm.

Charlie

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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2019, 02:55:11 PM »
Charlie,

Thanks for your thoughts on the location of Julien Farm, a matter which I touched upon in Reply 26 in my thread "Following the BEF and the Manchesters".

The 2nd Manchesters in August 1914 were in the 14th Brigade (of the 5th Division) whose Field Ambulance unit was identified as 14 Field Ambulance in the Order of Battle for the division.   In my post I was hoping that access by a member could be obtained to the War Diary of 14 Field Ambulance, to see if Julien Farm could be identified.    Perhaps this is not possible?   PhilipG.

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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2019, 03:10:56 PM »
Philip,
Before making my last post, I had looked at the diaries of 13, 14 & 15 Field Ambulances and also that of the Assistant Director Medical Services 5th Division. None of the diaries make reference to Julien Farm. This is what made me think that it was perhaps being referred to by another name that was easier for Tommy to pronounce.

Charlie


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Re: 8942 Pte. J.Cooke : 2nd Bn. Manchester Regt. : ,Kia 20.9.1914
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2019, 04:15:42 PM »
Charlie,

Thank you for your efforts.     In all the circumstances I think you are exactly right.   In times long gone, I would have made enquiries locally on the ground, a practice I found most rewarding in searching for information at farms in France whilst following in the footsteps of the 2nd Manchesters.  Invariably my French speaker and I were welcomed, albums appeared and except for one occasion outside St. Quentin, it was a pleasure to meet the owners of the land.   But I'm talking about the early 1980's.    PhilipG.