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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2016, 12:33:20 PM »
                 Lieutenant F.H.Bishop : 20th Bn. Manchester Regt.

On the 6th April 1918, the 20th Manchesters were at Casa Magnaboschi.  On the 18th April, No. 15 Platoon of the battalion's "D"Coy. carried out a raid on the enemy's lines at a position known as "Stella".  The raiding party was under the command of Lt. Bishop and during the action some 12 enemy soldiers were killed.  Five of the Manchesters were wounded and two of them subsequently died of their wounds.  In the case of Lieutenant Bishop, he was reported as "wounded and missing".   The records show that in fact, he was made a prisoner by the Austrians but was repatriated to the UK on the 14th December 1918.   It would be interesting to learn if anything further is known about this officer and, incidentally, whether or not he was held in an Austrian POW camp. PhilipG.

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2016, 01:04:45 PM »
I note that one of the soldiers who died of wounds on the 18th April 1918 and was possibly involved in the raid mentioned above could have been:

43727 Pte Harold Nield who is buried in Dueville Comm. Cem. Extn.   PhilipG.

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2016, 04:51:55 PM »
Philip,
Francis Hugh Bishop has only one entry, as far as I can tell, in the Red Cross records. He is recorded as having passed through Berne on the 18.11.1918 on his release from captivity in Austria.

Was the Battalion in the line at Casa Magnaboschi when the raid was carried out?

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2016, 11:34:30 AM »
Charlie.
On  30th March the battalion was taken in lorries up the Mountain roads to Carriola and moved into support position at Casa Magnaboschi.
It was in support to 1RWF at Casa Magnaboschi and moved into the front line on 6 April relieving 1st South Staffs. The situation was quiet.
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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2016, 12:48:54 PM »
Charlie,

Many thanks for looking up what you had on Lt. Bishop.  I wonder, please, if you would bring your expertise to bear on Captain (Lt?) H. Grimwood of the 22nd Manchesters?   He is listed by the  Artists Rifles as being a POW in Austria.   This seems unlikely, as he is recorded elsewhere as being "wounded & missing" on 14th March 1917 when the battalion was in France.   PhilipG.

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2016, 02:52:49 PM »
Robert,
Many thanks, it all helps to fill in gaps in the PoW database.

Philip,
Captain Herbert Grimwood, C Coy, 22nd Bn

Captured at Bucquoy 14.03.1917 while with the 22nd Bn. He was held at Cambrai, Karlsruhe, Ströhen, Limburg and Augustusbad during 1917. In 1918 he was transferred from Schweidnitz to Salzerbad in Austria, exactly when is not recorded but there is a cryptic message recorded on an index card dated 02.07.1918 (attached). He was repatriated 10.11.1918 and is recorded as having been wounded in the right arm. He was born in Walthamstow on 07.03.1875, he gave his address as Leverstock Green, Hamel Hampstead.

Salzerbad bei Hainfeld in lower Austria was the home to a PoW camp for Officers, mainly French but there were also Russian and British Officers held there.

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2016, 05:07:30 PM »
Charlie,

Thank you.  I found that very interesting.  Take care. PhilipG.

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2016, 11:08:26 AM »
Total British casualties in the campaign were 55,241. Of this total, 26 officers and 252 OR's were recorded as POW's.  Have we any further details, please, concerning this figure in respect of the Manchester Regiment?   PhilipG.

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2016, 12:10:48 PM »
Philip,
The only name I have found so far is Lt Bishop, this has only been found through good luck.  If there are any more PoWs from the Italian front in the ICRC database, they will be in the un-indexed section. I will have a look and let you know.

Charlie
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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2016, 04:31:20 PM »
Charlie,

Many thanks. If any are relevant they will be in the 20th,21st, 22nd & 24th Bns.  Three names are on my list as "possibles".  They are:-

2nd Lt. S.R.Smith  15.5.17 & 2nd Lt W.B.Purvis 26.10.17  both of the 21st Manchesters, together with 2nd Lt  H.Williams of the 22nd Bn. 6.10.17.   However, I am not over confident they were taken on the Italian front, so please do not spend a lot of time "digging". PhilipG.

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2016, 07:02:36 PM »
Philip,
None of the 3 Officers were captured in Italy.
2/Lt Smith - Bullecourt
2/Lt Purvis - Gheluvelt
2/Lt Williams - Becelaere

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2016, 07:40:53 PM »
Charlie,

Thank you. PhilipG

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2016, 08:29:49 AM »
Total British casualties in the campaign were 55,241. Of this total, 26 officers and 252 OR's were recorded as POW's.  Have we any further details, please, concerning this figure in respect of the Manchester Regiment?   PhilipG.

Philip,
The only other one identified is 2845 L/Sgt Joseph Bridgeman, C Coy 21st Bn, taken at Asiago 17.07.1918. The only information we have on him is that he was held at Field Hospital 1415, so he was presumably wounded when taken PoW. L/Sgt Bridgeman had previously served with the 1st Bn.

Charlie

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2016, 12:07:14 PM »
Charlie,

Thank you. I have done a bit of "digging" and come up with the following.  This would suggest that the Sergeant was taken prisoner during one of the successful raids on the Austrian's lines.   The extracts relate to the period beginning 3rd July 1918.

".....(units).....carried out several raids, the 22nd Manchesters tackling Canove on the 3rd..........., the same points being attacked a fortnight later..............Canove by the 21st Manchesters...........".

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Re: The Manchester Regiment & The Italian Campaign
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2016, 04:05:23 PM »
Thank you Philip, it's always interesting to find out more. I've added your information to the database.

Charlie