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The Colonel

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An Old Contemptible
« on: October 15, 2007, 04:16:34 PM »
Well, other than Chris, you have all had a quiet few days due to the website being down... so now, it's back to work!

I am looking for information regarding ARTHUR SMITH, who was one of the Old Contemptibles. He survived the Great War, and lived in Ashton Under Lyne. My father used to sit with Arthur in the Birch, a local pub, and they would play dominoes. Arthur would often speak of his time with the Contempibles during the war, how they "saw off" the Germans! He always wore his Contemptibles badge on the lapel of his jacket, and on winning a game of dominoes would point to his badge and say "You can't beat me, you can't better me because I'm Old Contemptible!"

My father would dearly like to know more about Arthur Smith's service in the Manchester Regiment... can anyone help?

The Colonel.

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2007, 05:15:56 PM »
1st Bn:
2146 Pte A Smith  Dead.
929 Pte R.A.J. Smith.

2nd Bn
9723 L/cpl A Smith  Dead.
1422 Pte A.Smith.
5612 Pte G.A. Smith.
2565 Pte W.A. Smith.
 

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2007, 06:08:05 PM »
Thanks MS for your info, it looks like Arthur Smith must have been Pte 1422 of the 2nd Bn.
I have checked the WW1 pension records online, but his papers haven't been listed as yet. I will do a search of the 1901 census, as that might help.
My father only knew him as Arthur.... he says Arthur was a lovely old chap who was proud to be called "contemptible"  :)

Many thanks.
The Colonel.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2007, 06:48:23 PM by The Colonel »

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2007, 07:33:12 PM »
you should be lucky with arthurs papers,most of those beginning with the letter S survived the blitz
mack

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 07:39:23 PM »
Cheers for that Mack, I will keep checking the listings on Ancestry.com.

On another note... I've just been looking on ebay. There is a WW1 medal that was awarded to Pte 2179 Ernest Reuben Smalley of the 1/10th. KIA at Gallipoli 26th May 1915. It has nine bids on it so far, with a price tag of £50. I am wondering why there appears to be so much interest in this medal.. any idea? Was Pte Smalley Jewish?

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2007, 03:51:38 AM »
Cheers for that Mack, I will keep checking the listings on Ancestry.com.

On another note... I've just been looking on ebay. There is a WW1 medal that was awarded to Pte 2179 Ernest Reuben Smalley of the 1/10th. KIA at Gallipoli 26th May 1915. It has nine bids on it so far, with a price tag of £50. I am wondering why there appears to be so much interest in this medal.. any idea? Was Pte Smalley Jewish?

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ernest was born at nuneaton,when he was a baby,he lived at pendleton,his address when he was killed,was,60 hawksley st,hollinwood,he was just 18yrs old.
mack

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2019, 08:53:18 AM »
I know this was one of the first posts on the forum.

I have started to revisit the post to do with the 2nd Bn
and found the following with this topic.

Name:   Arthur Smith
Birth Place:   Bradford, Manchester
Residence:   Hulme, Manchester
Death Date:   28 Dec 1917
Death Place:   France and Flanders
Enlistment Place:   Ashton-under-lyne, Lancs
Rank:   Sergeant
Regiment:   Manchester Regiment
Battalion:   2nd Battalion
Regimental Number:   1422
Type of Casualty:   Killed in action
Theatre of War:   Western European Theatre
Comments:   M.M.

So it looks like both A Smiths in the 2nd Bn died.
I'll check the other two
5612 Pte G.A. Smith.
2565 Pte W.A. Smith.
as he may of used his second name.

It is possible that he did serve in another Regiment and not the Manchester's

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« Last Edit: August 22, 2019, 08:55:48 AM by Timberman »

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2019, 11:54:16 AM »
2565 Pte W.A. Smith.

Died 30/08/1918

5612 Pte G.A. Smith.

Although discharged, his wife applied for her late husbands medals
10/08/1920. He is not on the CWGC site.
This soldier also fought in the Boar War.

So I think to pinpoint the A Smith The Colonel was looking for
could be impossible as there are lots of Smiths that served with the
Manchester's.

Timberman

« Last Edit: August 22, 2019, 11:59:50 AM by Timberman »

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 12:28:29 PM »
hiya neil
there were many soldiers who thought that they should have been called old contemtibles,its one of those debates about who qualifies as such,there are those who say that it means those who were in france during the retreat from mons and the stand on the marne,there are others who who didn't arrive in france till after these events who consider themselves as old contemtibles as well,your right about pte smith,it would be impossible to find out who he was,BUT he believed he was one and was proud of it

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Re: An Old Contemptible
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 05:24:53 PM »
Mack

I agree, I'm sure my Granddad thought the same.

There is so much more information available today than there
was just a few years ago.

Neil