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Offline baker1

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20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« on: May 22, 2016, 09:51:59 AM »


Can anyone help me with some information on Private Alfred Rothwell 17474 of the 20th Manchesters B company platoon no8.
He was killed in action on 4-4-1916 at Fricourt in France,In Kingston Road trench.He was killed by shellfire and buried in the Citadel New Military ref II.B.7
 
    1. I would like to be able to identify him on his platoon photograph,or any other soldier in the same photograph
    2.Is there anyway of finding out who PALS were on signing up.
    3. When he was killed would his body have gone to casualty clearing station or field hospital. If anyone knows where
        or name of the unit .               
       
    4. Some time ago the red cross found some lost information on the personal effects of dead soldiers. Is this information
        now available .
     
     Many Thanks

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Re: 20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2016, 12:54:56 PM »
Hi Baker,
This is from CWGC about the Cemetery
Fricourt was captured by the 17th Division on 2 July 1916 but the southern part of the commune, in which this cemetery is situated, was already in Allied hands. On the road from Fricourt to Bray, before it reaches the top of the plateau, are two points 71 metres above sea level, known to the Army as 71 North and 71 South. A little further on was a feature known as the Citadel.

The cemetery is in the Northern part of a valley, running from Fricourt to the Somme, which was known in 1916 as "Happy Valley." It was begun by French troops and from August 1915, when the first Commonwealth burials were made, it was known as the Citadel Military Cemetery (Point 71). It was used until November 1916 and once in August 1918. The great majority of the burials were carried out from field ambulances before the Battles of the Somme. In the Autumn of 1916 the Citadel became a large camp for units withdrawn from the line.

It seems probable that Alfred died of wounds in a Field Ambulance, rather than Killed in Action as specified by SDGW and Soldiers Effects.  I would imagine there was a battlefield cemetery nearer to the front line, where burials in action would generally be made, but he is not noted as a concentration.  It remains possible he was killed by long range shell fire in Happy Valley.  The War Diary and Press reports may throw more light.
Good luck and Welcome
Tim

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Re: 20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2016, 06:50:01 PM »
hiya baker

your correct about the location and manner of death,he was killed between 10pm and 10.30pm,the only casualty that night,his body would have been taken straight for burial as soon as they could get him out
he was aged 26
son of William+charlotte
resided 104 prince st,ardwick
worked as a porter on the great central railway.

cant help with the red cross question

mack ;D

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Re: 20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2016, 01:29:14 PM »
Hi Tim,
          Many thanks for your speedy reply,with the very useful information about the cemetery and the field ambulance.The war diary just has casualties 1 O.R killed by shell fire.In the newspaper a small paragraph with a photo that says killed in action.Thanks for the welcome my research has moved on, I'm glad that I joined.
                                            Thanks again
                                               Baker1

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Re: 20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2016, 01:53:29 PM »
HI Mack,
             Thank you for taking the time to look at Alfred for me. I have a large file on Alfred and his family, but I still have some unanswered questions.One of which is is railway record.I have looked into this but didn't get good results.

Would anybody know about the Manchester TA units?  My Grandfather Thomas William Rothwell CPL 580 RAMC.1914-15 star
but on his victory medal 527540 CPL TW ROTHWELL RAMC transferred to the London 1st sanitary corps.
                                                     Thanks again
                                                        Baker1

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Re: 20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2016, 05:38:49 PM »
Baker1.

Manchester TA Units.WW1 Try the TA.Centre, King's Road.Old Trafford,Manchester. M16 7RS.
Fax; 0161 236 4992.
WW1 were in the 42nd East Lancs Division. Field Ambulance, 42nd Sanitary Section.
George

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Re: 20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2016, 10:11:48 PM »
Just seen this CWGC record:-
Samuel George Garland Point 110 New Military Cemetery, Fricourt Private 17353, 20th Bn., Manchester Regiment who died on 04 April 1916 Age 31 Son of Samuel and Cathrine Garland.
SDGW says he was killed in action on 14/4/1916. Resident Morecambe.
Does the War Diary for 20th Bttn throw light on the correct date?
Tim
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Re: 20th Manchesters B company platoon No 8
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2016, 10:15:42 PM »
he was killed on 14th april,if he had been killed on 4th he would be buried in the same cemetery as Alfred rothwell.he lived at 8 farndon ave,harpurhey,occupation shuttle maker

mack ;D