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Devil Wood

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21st Battalion
« on: November 08, 2007, 09:38:32 AM »
I think I jumped the gun but think I have now got it.
Am looking for information involving the 11th and 21st Battalions up to September 1916. Have already posted my query in the Hello forum, possibly should have posted in the 1914-1918 Forum. I'm an old ANCOATS lad been in Australia since 1949 so just about ready for long service leave. Still strong in the arm but not sure about the head.
Barney
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Re: 11th and 21st Battalion
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2007, 10:09:04 AM »
for the 11th batt, between Dave and myself we have quite a good battalion history on the main site

http://www.themanchesters.org/11th%20batt.htm

the 21st hasn't been done yet i'm afraid but if anyone would like a go............
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Re: 11th and 21st Battalion
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 04:42:50 PM »
but i should add that there is a very good published battalion history ( by Robert) available from the museum

http://www.tameside.gov.uk/webapps/shopping/moreinfo.php3?362

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Re: 11th and 21st Battalion
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2007, 03:56:14 AM »
Thanks Harribobs, I have a copy of Bonners 21st. It dosn't have a mention of the 29th August 1916 when 46 soldiers of the 21st died according to SWD.
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Re: 11th and 21st Battalion
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2007, 08:49:05 AM »
i must add that Robert is the editor not the author, i'm afraid i do not have a copy of the war diary so i can't be of help either
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Re: 11th and 21st Battalion
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 09:36:59 AM »
Had a look at the batt and divisional diaries for 28th and 29th August 1916 no mention of any action to explain the high casualties suffered by the 21st on the 29th. They relieved the 20th in the front line and one of the officers was sick was the only info provided. The division were carrying on about the time being taken to complete new trenches in the area south of DW part of the coming attack on Ginchy and applying pressure to get the Irish div in to do the job.
So I still can't find an explanation as to how my man went from the 11th and died with the 21st.
Reading the batt diary I was surprised at the poor standard of reporting, can you tell me who was responsible for writing up the diaries.
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Re: 11th and 21st Battalion
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 09:59:21 AM »
My own little survey of 10 of those 46 shows
7 remembered on Thiepval
1 buried in Delville Wood
2 at Montauban which was used as an advance dressing station around the period ???

Have you done a full survey of their memorial places Barney? 

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Re: 11th and 21st Battalion
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 10:05:01 AM »
right!

first thing we need to do is run one thread per query, if you run two together it gets very confusing

barney by all means start another on the 11th batt, we'll stick to the 21st on this one
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Re: 21st Battalion
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 04:11:50 AM »
Hello Wendy, My Man Martin HOATH is remembered on the Theipval Memorial he went down south Delville Wood and he is on the honour role of the 21st.