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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #255 on: December 12, 2015, 09:31:49 PM »
Thanks Timberman

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #256 on: December 13, 2015, 06:49:17 AM »
hiya Charlie.
2477 h.batten.he is bandsman/stretcher bearer 2477 henry batten,55 hope st,hurst,ashton,at limburg,repat at dover 4-12-18

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His address shows up as the same as 1285 Dmr Harry Button 2nd Bn, are they brothers and one is a typo? The names are correct according to the MiCs.

Charlie
hiya Charlie
1285 harry button wasn't a POW,he transferred to the 14th batt tank corps
2477 henry batten was in the 2/6th batt,previously 1st battalion

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #257 on: December 13, 2015, 07:29:30 AM »
Charlie

On the rolls it has

12029 Cpl Thomas Burton
19th Bn and then 12th Bn

48640 Pte Harry Fairbrother
19th Bn att. 21st TMB

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hiya Charlie.
harry fairbrother is listed in the medal rolls and the red cross archives as 19th manchesters,he was captured at st.quentin on 21st march 1918,he couldn't have been with the 19th battalion because they were disbanded in February 1918,ime fairly certain he was one of the TMB captured at Manchester hill with the 16th battalion.

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #258 on: December 13, 2015, 08:10:39 AM »
Thanks Mack,
Thats probably explains why I couldn't find Harry Button in the Red Cross records ;D

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #259 on: December 17, 2015, 04:36:17 PM »
Is the Battalion for Lt Malcolm Liggett known please?

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #260 on: December 17, 2015, 04:41:29 PM »
The ICRC lists a 41168 Samuel Light 3rd Bn, DoW either 5 or 7 May 1917

http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/1730071/3/2/

41168 is Ernest White later E Yorks he is not recorded as DoW. Nothing comes close either on CWGC or the MiCs. Any ideas please.

Charlie

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #261 on: December 17, 2015, 06:53:44 PM »
Charlie

Went over to France with the 21st Bn Royal Fusiliers
Then commissioned into the 12th Bn Manchester's

Name:    M Liggett
Rank:    2/Lt.
Regiment:    12th Battalion. Manchester Regiment
Date Missing:    24 Mar 1918
Repatriation Date:    18 Dec 1918
Record Number:    3817

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #262 on: December 17, 2015, 07:40:51 PM »
Thanks Timberman,
The repatriation date isn't recorded by the ICRC, so thats a good find as well.

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #263 on: December 18, 2015, 08:50:31 AM »
The ICRC lists a 41168 Samuel Light 3rd Bn, DoW either 5 or 7 May 1917

http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/1730071/3/2/

41168 is Ernest White later E Yorks he is not recorded as DoW. Nothing comes close either on CWGC or the MiCs. Any ideas please.

Charlie
hiya Charlie.
this man doesn't seem to exist,according to his details,he was 3rd manchesters,E.coy,the 3rd battalion didn't serve overseas and non of the battalions that did,didnt have an E.coy,the german report says he was buried in the cemetery at douai,theres no man that comes anywhere near to being him,not under any name or number,theres another soldier in the same list.arthur berks,12 KRRC,he doesn't seem to exist either.

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #264 on: December 18, 2015, 09:21:59 AM »
Thanks Mack, having done the same searches as you seem to have done, thats the conclusion I came to as well. It must be assumed that the Germans did bury someone, but who he was we will never know.

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #265 on: December 18, 2015, 05:07:46 PM »
Samuel light is buried in the same grave as pte 25931 w.h griffin,but the graves registration team crossed him off the register and put him down as a unknown british soldier,they did the same with pte berks,its a bit odd,these men had been recorded as being buried at douai by the germans,so why did the CWGC change them to unknowns.

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #266 on: December 18, 2015, 08:23:13 PM »
Well done Mack good work. I guess they changed them to unknowns as their names as written by the Germans did not tie in with anyone known to be missing. As you know there are 5 Samuel Lights in the MiCs and 1 in the CWGC database and he has a known grave.

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #267 on: December 28, 2015, 10:19:07 AM »
Samuel light is buried in the same grave as pte 25931 w.h griffin,but the graves registration team crossed him off the register and put him down as a unknown british soldier,they did the same with pte berks,its a bit odd,these men had been recorded as being buried at douai by the germans,so why did the CWGC change them to unknowns.

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I wonder if this is Samuel Light
http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/1439249/3/2/

He is listed as Samuel Lord and Lord Samuel. He is recorded as 352320 Samuel Lord 1/9th Bn on the Thiepval Memorial, died 25.04.1917. Were the 1/9th anywhere near Douai at that time?

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #268 on: December 28, 2015, 10:26:56 AM »
There are two Lloyds mixed up on the following:

http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/64434/3/2/

Charlie Lloyds is 25523 Charlie Lloyd 2nd Bn, died 11.10.1918
Chas F Lloyd is as the index card shows, 202329 Charles Frederick Lloyd. CWGC gives his date of death as 21.03.1918. I do not think he was ever a PoW, does anyone have anything to the contrary?

Charlie

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Re: A place for PoW database amendments and additions
« Reply #269 on: December 28, 2015, 11:57:02 AM »
Re Samuel Lord.
The 1/9th moved to Harquaix on 18th April 1917, about 25  miles from Douai. Then on to Epehy on 22/23 April where they had several casualties.
Both an S Lord and H Lord are shown on the 9th Bn roll of honour.
Robert