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Offline harribobs

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a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« on: April 17, 2008, 12:24:51 AM »
many thanks to Kingo, he's just posted a harrowing account from the of the court of enquiry into the events of 15th may 1916

http://www.themanchesters.org/A%20Place%20to%20shelter.html

this page now links within the 18th battn history on the main site
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008, 03:08:06 PM »
a service was read over these men,by the reverend h.a thomson and their burial recorded.

chris/andy.
is it possible to find the exact place of this mine shaft.
its just a thought,but if the location can be found,the CWGC may accept it as a war grave.
the official report that andy found,should be enough evidence to support a claim for recognition.

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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2008, 05:29:52 PM »
Mack-i had the same thought. There must be a trench map that shows the location of the sap and if it could be overlayed onto a modern map it might be able to identify the spot. I am off to Ypres in a couple of weeks and i am going down to the Somme for a days flying visit so i might go to the area and have a look From what i read, it is in the area of the Peronne Road cemetery just outside Maricourt. I was there last year and the land is open farmland that drops away into the Somme Valley and the village of Suzanne.You never know, the trench lines might be visible in the fields as long as the crops aren't up. I will add it to my ever expanding list of things to do on that day !.
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 05:56:32 PM »
andy.
why not post this on the GWF,let some of the battlefield experts like paul reed have a go at the location.

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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2008, 06:08:14 PM »
andy.
did you notice that peter ford+john grice had been renumbered,i cant figure out why these two men had their numbers changed.
both men didnt go to france till the 23-12-15,neither had been previously wounded/sick
peter fords orig number was 11331
john grice orig number was 11323

they are not in the m/c book of honour because they were with the reserve company[25th batt]

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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2008, 06:16:09 PM »
Hadn't noticed that mack. i will pull their records-if they are available and see if there is anything in them to explain why.
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2008, 06:22:00 PM »
 Mack-i have found another Board of inquiry document relating to the 30 men who were injured on the 29th June and the 1 man killed ( L/cpl JohnAnderson Frankish). Many of the injured probably never took part in the "Great Day" so it probably saved their lives. There are 30 witness statements describing what happened-yet they still couldn't come to a conclusion (i.e blame someone). I will try and write it up over the weekend.
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2008, 06:45:21 PM »
Mack-No explanation in their records as to why they were re-numbered. Both men Embarked 24/12/15 at Folkestone and arrived at Etaples the next day joining the battalion 26/02/16. Both mens medals were issued with the new numbers  ???. The only difference in the two men was that Peter Grice was awarded 2 Days Confined to barracks at Rees heath on 7/11/1915 for " Improper use of the wash house"  ???- They were hard on them in them days  :) !.
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2008, 06:45:35 PM »
Hadn't noticed that mack. i will pull their records-if they are available and see if there is anything in them to explain why.
there are records for both of them,also ptes brierley,daniel and deakin

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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2008, 06:48:58 PM »
Mack-No explanation in their records as to why they were re-numbered. Both men Embarked 24/12/15 at Folkestone and arrived at Etaples the next day joining the battalion 26/02/16. Both mens medals were issued with the new numbers  ???. The only difference in the two men was that Peter Grice was awarded 2 Days Confined to barracks at Rees heath on 7/11/1915 for " Improper use of the wash house"  ???- They were hard on them in them days  :) !.
you aint allowed to wash your horse in the wash house ;D ;D

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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2008, 06:52:07 PM »
"Neigh Lad"-you cant do that-get that animal out of there  ;D
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2008, 06:54:35 PM »
Oh-and by the way-your'e on a charge

What for ?


Horsing around  ;D ;D ;D

Ok-no more horse related jokes  ;D
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2008, 08:00:20 PM »
andy.
theres a few discrepancies on the CWGC.
they list pte howarth as dying on 11-5-16
pte deakin as 13th battalion
ptes brierley+webster as dying on 13-5-16

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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 07:10:12 AM »
I wiil have a look tonight-all the records are there except Pte Websters. Errors on CWGC-who would of thought it  :).
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Re: a safe place to shelter, 18th battn may 1916
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 02:30:03 PM »
I wiil have a look tonight-all the records are there except Pte Websters. Errors on CWGC-who would of thought it  :).
the report you found,should be enough to get the details corrected.

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