Author Topic: Salonika and the 13th Bn. Manchesters - 1915-1918. -Help wanted, please.  (Read 6904 times)

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Re: Salonika and the 13th Bn. Manchesters - 1915-1918. -Help wanted, please.
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2017, 02:08:05 PM »
Hi Johnnie,
Ernest was a former teacher who enlisted in the 18th (3rd City or Pals) Bttn in September 1914.  He was swiftly promoted to Sergeant and Commissioned in April 1915.  Service Record here http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1219/31239_205868-00387/2044394?backUrl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dUSY779%26_phstart%3dsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3dErnest%2520May%26gsfn_x%3d0%26gsln%3dWare%26gsln_x%3d0%26cp%3d0%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3d3d3%26pcat%3d39%26h%3d2044394%26dbid%3d1219%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=
He was 2/Lt with the 13th Manchesters disembarking 6/9/1915 or 13/10/1915 (Prob France and Salonika dates) and Lt with RE.
I haven't found out too much more abour his Service as an Officer and a trip the National Archives in Kew will tell you more.
A potted history of the 13th Bttn is here http://www.themanchesters.org/13th%20batt.htm
There's chap on Great War Forum who knows a lot about RE Special Brigade.  He helped me with another former Manchester teacher in the 2nd Pals, who followed the same route.
Welcome & Good Luck finding more.
Tim
ps I can't see him on the Manchester Corporation Roll of Teachers.
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Re: Salonika and the 13th Bn. Manchesters - 1915-1918. -Help wanted, please.
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2017, 02:51:41 PM »
Very interesting details of casualties and conditions, Philip G, and great photos on the "flickr" site, JC!

There are also some very interesting general photos in the illustrated history of the Salonica Army by American War Correspondent G. Ward Price, which can be read on-line.

I first came across this (and printed out the relevant chapters) back in 2001,when researching the wartime career of my late father, who was a junior officer with the 83rd Brigade MGC Company (part of the 28th Division), and served in Salonica from 14 December 1916 to 12 December 1917.

 (Incidentally, my father was the nephew and namesake of Pte. Philip Jones of the 2nd Manchesters, who featured  in an earlier thread on this forum a few months ago. Unlike his uncle, my father survived the war, spending 4 years after leaving Salonica in India, Egypt and Palestine as an officer in the Indian Army, from which he retired in 1921 with the rank of Major. He died in 1964, having spent the intervening years in practice as a solicitor in his home town of Swansea.)

The website on which Ward Price's book may now be found is  :-

http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/memoir/Salonica/salonTC.htm

Just click on the link

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Hi Johnnie,
Ernest was a former teacher who enlisted in the 18th (3rd City or Pals) Bttn in September 1914.  He was swiftly promoted to Sergeant and Commissioned in April 1915.  Service Record here http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1219/31239_205868-00387/2044394?backUrl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dUSY779%26_phstart%3dsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3dErnest%2520May%26gsfn_x%3d0%26gsln%3dWare%26gsln_x%3d0%26cp%3d0%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3d3d3%26pcat%3d39%26h%3d2044394%26dbid%3d1219%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=
He was 2/Lt with the 13th Manchesters disembarking 6/9/1915 or 13/10/1915 (Prob France and Salonika dates) and Lt with RE.
I haven't found out too much more abour his Service as an Officer and a trip the National Archives in Kew will tell you more.
A potted history of the 13th Bttn is here http://www.themanchesters.org/13th%20batt.htm
There's chap on Great War Forum who knows a lot about RE Special Brigade.  He helped me with another former Manchester teacher in the 2nd Pals, who followed the same route.
Welcome & Good Luck finding more.
Tim
ps I can't see him on the Manchester Corporation Roll of Teachers.

Many thanks for the reply, and sorry for the time it has taken me to get back to you.

Do any members have any idea when he moved from the Manchesters to the RE? I have been in touch with the chap on the Great War Forum who thinks he may have only been with the RE in the very late stages of the war, so would he have been with the 13th for the rest of the war?

Finally, I looked at the officer long number files and he seems to have a P number. Does this mean he served in the inter-war period? I certainly cannot see a file for him surviving at Kew.

Johnnie

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His transfer as a T/Lt to the RE was Gazetted on 17.12.1918 effective from 07.11.1918.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31076/supplement/14910

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Thanks for the link Militia.

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Glad to be of help, Timberman.

For those who may be interested, a large and very interesting collection of photographs and postcards etc. relating to the Salonika Campaign can be seen at :-
http://www.alamy.com/search.html  (Put "Salonika WWI " in the search box.)

M.

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Militia,

Re books.  You may find "Salonica and After" very readable.  It was written by H. Collinson Owen in 1919 and there is a copy for sale on the web.  Regards,  PhilipG.

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Thank you so much for recommending the book by Collinson Owen, Philip.

I was delighted to find it "on-line"  at :-

https://archive.org/details/salonicaaftersid00owenuoft

It is, as you say, very readable, the writer having the happy knack of engaging the attention of his readers (even a "non-military specialist" like myself) from the very beginning and holding it throughout. I was totally absorbed by the colourful and detailed descriptions of places and people which accompanied this account of the  Campaign as seen through the eyes of an "observer" rather than a "combatant". It was good to read, too, that there were at least some "lighter moments" amongst the horror and the sickness generally associated with the War on this Front.

I really enjoyed this book, and I hope that with it now being so easily accessible, others will too.

M.

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I pick you some copies of The Mosquito ( Nos 160-165 edited by Mr G.E.Willis ) last year as well as a copy of Salonika Memories 1915-1919 edited and produced by G.E.Willis, OBE J.P. for the Salonika Reunion Association may 1969.

If anyone is looking for any information from them let us know.

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                   30161 Pte T.Burns 13th Manchesters & Labour Corps.

This soldier, originally with the 13th battalion was transferred to the 1035th Area Employment Company of the Labour Corps with a service number of 393876.  He died on the 7th January 1919, possibly of influenza, as it is reported that Bralo British Cemetery in which he is buried contains many who died during that epidemic.

Bralo is near the site of the Battle of Thermopylae  (480 BC) and also the more recent battle of that name which took place during the evacuation of Greece by British & Commonwealth forces in April 1941.  This was followed a month later by the British defeat in Crete by German attacking forces.

I notice that the headstones in the cemetery lie horizontally on the ground, the cemetery as a whole occupying a picturesque and mountainous setting.     

The designation "Area Employment Company Labour Corps" is not one with which I am familiar.  PhilipG.

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Philip,
Area Employment Companys worked only in a particular area and carried out many tasks, ranging from Concert Parties to Salvage.

A more detailed explanation can be found here

http://www.royalpioneercorps.co.uk/rpc/history_main1.htm

Charlie

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Charlie,

Many thanks.   PhilipG.