Author Topic: 18021 Frederick Rocca 20th Battalion. D company 15 platoon ........and his father!  (Read 2600 times)

Offline wendyg

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I am researching this battalion and came across Frederick Rocca who died of wounds 10 July 1916 and is buried at St Sever cemetery Rouen.  SDGW  and CWGC record him as a Lance Corporal, the Battalion Roll of Honour and a personal message by his widow in the ' Manchester Evening News' in 1917 record him as a  sergeant.  What is to be believed?

To try and find out more about Frederick , born 1893. Ashton on Mersey, I found out he was a clerk in a shipping warehouse in 1911 and in 1901 at school.  However, it was his father that more than drew my attention.

Henry Lewis Rocca, born 1832 in Hamburg, Germany, a naturalised citizen, recorded him  as a ' retired merchant, Home Trade, Col. Commanding 5th VB Manchester Regiment.

Further investigation on Find My Past came up with the Army List 1878 and revealed :
Rifle Volunteers
33rd (2nd Manchesters)
Ardwick, Nr Manchester

He was also a business man in Manchester and didn't  settle down to family life until 1891 Born 1832) he had to deal with many emotional setbacks .

I would like to know  more about Volunteer Battalions, Henry L Rocca and whether his son was a Lance corporal or Sergeant!
wendyg

 

Offline mack

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frederick was a sergeant,lance cpl was probably one of the many errors in SDGW+CWGC,the rank of sgt is the one that was stamped on his war+victory medals

the family were members of st.anns church,sale,sgt rocca is on their memorial
son of henry,lewis+jessie rocca,"ardene"17 montague rd,sale

he was badly wounded on 1st july 1916 and died of wounds in hospital at rouen,[sergeant]

i have most of the M.E.N papers,the source against his name that i have,was published in the paper on 18th july 1916

ps robert bonner is the best one to help you with colonel rocca,all i know is that he had been with the volunteers since about 1866 and was one of the early recipients of the officers volunteer medal

mack ;D
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Offline Robert Bonner

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Henry Lewis Rocca                                                                                                                                                      Born Hamburg, Germany 1831 and came to England in 1851. Settled in Manchester and in 1857 became a naturalised British subject. Later principal of a firm of merchants and shippers. Joined the Ardwick Corps in the summer of 1866 and, although offered a commission, insisted on drilling in the ranks until he became proficient. Promoted Lieutenant 19 November 1866,   Captain 3 November 1869, Major on 10 January 1877 and Lieutenant-Colonel on 10 January 1885. He was one of the first recipients of the Volunteer Officers’ decoration instituted by Royal Warrant in July 1892. He died 27 December 1916 and is buried in Stretford Cemetery.

His son Frederick Lewis Rocca married Elsie Mary, and lived at “Holmfield”, Edge Lane, Stretford, Manchester.  On the formation of the Pals Battalions in September 1914 he enlisted in the 20th (S) Battalion (5th City Bn.) The Manchester Regiment and became 18021 and Sergeant in 15 Platoon of ‘D’ Company.  He died10th July 1916 aged 23, in a military hospital in Rouen, France from wounds received on 1st July after the Battalion’s attack in front of Fricourt.

He is buried in grave A.28.23 in St. Sever Cemetery, Rouen and is commemorated on the War Memorial in the grounds of St. Anne’s Church, Sale and also on his parent’s headstone in Stretford Cemetery.

Colonel Rocca was an outstanding commanding officer and was responsible for the initial financing and then the building of Ardwick Barracks.

Robert

Offline wendyg

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Thanks Mack and Robert.  Wow!  I see that Lt Col Rocca died in 1916 (aged 85) having twice been a widower twice.  He published a book on Strategy and tactics' and the latest edition was either printed or updated in 1915 so I wonder if he was still active in some military capacity.  Thanks again for your help
Wendyg

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HI Wendyg,   my grandfather was in the 20th,
 PTE 25926  WILLIAM C RODAWAY Cheshire reg, discharged  underage after serving in France and Salonika with the CHESHIRE'S he then signed up again underage into the Manchester regiment 79184 and back to France finishing up in the DEVONSHIRE regiment 066 this could have been at the end of the war,
 WILLIAM is the smaller of the two in the Manchester regiment photo before going over the second time 

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Thanks Tonyrod.  What was his real age when he signed up and what platoon was he in in the Manchesters?

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hi Wendyg, not sure on his platoon,his records for the Cheshire reg are on ancestry
Births Mar 1900  
Rodaway    William Christopher     W. Derby

my family web site,
Rodaways of ww1-2: WW1
tonyrod.webs.com/

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there are three sergeants including frederick in the platoon photo,frederick is the youngest of the three[aged 22]sgt john edwards was 35 and sgt h.chard was 33

mack ;D