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Offline Tim Bell

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17th Battalion POW on 1st July 1916
« on: January 19, 2013, 04:06:37 PM »
I am trying to work out how people were taken prisoner on 1st July.  The German counter-attack @ 3am on 2nd was unsuccessful and it seems strange that so many of POW were taken.  As an example, the following from III Platoon are identified on the list as POW on 1/7/16:-

Darnborough   Louis   Pte   8508
Watts          Arthur   Pte   8941

The following is from III Platoon with no date specified.  More likely they were taken prisoner at Trones:-

Leach                John   Cpl   8701

We know that the Germans gained a foothold in Montauban Alley and A Company were at the extreme north east corner of the allied line.  However, these prisoners and many more from A Company are surprising.  Does anyone know why there seems to be as many POWs taken on 1st July as there was from the subsequent failed withdrawal from Trones Wood a few weeks later?

Any ideas?

Tim

ps I used III Platoon because I know a bomber from this Pltn. was at Triangle Point and this is the only place I had expected prisoners to be taken.  Someone from IV Pltn. was also there.  Only three of the section got back to the main British Line.
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Re: 17th Battalion POW on 1st July 1916
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2013, 11:37:12 AM »
the lad from IV platoon was pte 8764 nathan needham[known as nat] a 20yr old from 28 wynford st,salford,nathan died in salford in 1949 aged 54

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Re: 17th Battalion POW on 1st July 1916
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2013, 02:57:35 PM »
Thanks Mack,

I knew about Nat. Needham, but didn't have any background on him.  Apparently he wasn't a bomber

Do you have an explanation for the number of POWs on 1st July?

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Re: 17th Battalion POW on 1st July 1916
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2013, 04:27:19 PM »
i dont know how many were captured on the 1st july tim,even though it was me who compiled the POW lists,the germans would have been very keen to grab prisoners that day,because they needed to know what they were up against

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Re: 17th Battalion POW on 1st July 1916
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2013, 05:02:10 PM »
Tim

I read this topic and though I though I would send you the attached photo taken in Sprottau POW camp in 1918.  The back of the card read men caputured Men caputred in the battleof the Somme.

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Re: 17th Battalion POW on 1st July 1916
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 12:26:21 PM »
Thanks Frank,

If you google Dulman and Manchester you may find an image with your grandad.

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