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forgetmenot

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5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« on: November 17, 2012, 10:44:35 AM »
Hello all............
I am trying to get info on my grandad - 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw .
His records were destroyed in WW2.
My father has all his war medals from both wars and I have some info from the Manchester Rgt museum . A copy of a medal card I think .
There appears to be several numbers recorded in the "Regtl No" column .
ie; 5088 then 273362 then TR/3/33548 then 276606 .

Can anyone tell me anything about his service record , date of joining , anything at all would be fantastic .
BTW does anyone know how many men survived both world wars ?

Regards and many thanks .
« Last Edit: November 17, 2012, 11:17:29 AM by forgetmenot »

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 12:16:43 PM »
Hi forgetmenot !  Nice sentiment in the name  ;)

I am looking at your grandad's medal card from WW1 and he certainly got around a bit!  He first went to France & Flanders on 7th September 1915

He was numbered 5088 in The Manchester Regiment moved to The Royal Engineers as WR/273362 the "WR" standing for Royal Engineers Waterways and Railways he was then TR/3/33548 "71st T. R. Bn. now Ancestry have transcribed this as "71st Tank Regiment Bn"

I do not believe this to be correct. the "TR/3" in my experience indicates the The Training Reserve the "/3" indicates his area, 14th (Reserve) Bn, the Manchester Regiment 

He could have been attached to The Training Reserve for several reasons, he may have been a good teacher or recovering from illness or wound however later he was back to the Royal Engineers as 276606.

Do you know what he did before he joined up?  it may well be that his attachment to The Royal Engineers reflects his previous employment.

Wendi  :)
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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 01:29:23 PM »
Wendi , thankyou so much for your info . Is there anyway to find out anything else ?

My dad says that my grandad was a junior porter at Odsall Lane , Salford .

Many thanks , Lynn

ps there is a photo of him in uniform with a blue hue , is that hospital uniform .
Also WW2 he was in 264 train company .
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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2012, 01:53:22 PM »
Your welcome Lynn

Is there anyway to find out anything else ?

Probably, but it's Saturday, and the Football season, so don't realistically expect to hear from any of the chaps 'till the Manchester matches are over.....or even later if they win  ;D

Can you post the picture?  There is a "how to" guide here

If the uniform is blue with a white collar (google "WW1 hospital blues" then you can confirm he was a patient.

Wendi  :)

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 02:09:48 PM »
Ha ! Yes I hadnt thought about the football ;D ;D

Im a 100 miles away from my parents but I remember the photograph and its definately hospital uniform . Apparantly he had suffered the flu .

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2012, 02:18:25 PM »
Ah, well there was a flu pandemic that killed millions, at the end of WW1, so it would still be useful to see the photo (at some point) even if it's just a photo of the photo.  I doubt that his time in hospital blues has a flu connection.

One other thing, I wondered if you had considered obtaining his WW2 service record.  It would cost £30, you'll need a copy of his death certificate, and you'll probably be in for a wait, but it can be done via The MOD Click here for the website

Wendi  :)

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2012, 03:39:09 PM »
Thanks Wendi , I will try for his WW2 records .
What a brilliant site , thankyou so much , regards Lynn .

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2012, 07:44:17 PM »
before,during and after the war,herbert lived at 44 lynn st,west gorton,he worked for manchester corporation on the trams shortly before the war,son of william+elizabeth crankshaw,in 1914 he would have been 20yrs old

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2012, 03:29:53 AM »
in 1920 herbert,harry cranshaw was living at 11 worsley rd,blackpool,he married miss cecily wright the following year,his younger brother edwards personal effects were sent to this address on 21-6-1920

younger brother edward[full name william,edward]was reported missing on 15th sept 1916,later assumed killed on that date.

edwards sister madeline recieved edwards 1915 star on 28-2-1920 and his war and victory medals were sent to her on 24-6-1921 to 44 lynn st,west gorton

Z/1232 william,edward crankshaw
enlisted 2-9-14
aged 19
1st battalion rifle brigade
occupation,barman
9-11-15 admitted to 4th casualty clearing station[flu] then passed to 6th gen hospital and then sent home on the hospital ship st.david,he was sent to stobhill military hospital,glasgow on 7-12-15,he was later posted to the 9th rifle brigade after release from the 2nd western gen hospital,manchester

mack ;D
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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2012, 10:06:02 AM »
Interesting mack about the flu in 1915. Lynn remembers a photo of Herbert in hospital blues. Would they have been in blues when in hospital for flu ?

Wendi  :)
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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2012, 10:43:26 AM »
hi mack, I live in Blackpool, and there is only a
Worsley Avenue  Blackpool, FY4 2DH

Worsley Rd
Lytham, Lytham St Annes,
Lancashire FY8 4AW
also found
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1921
Surname   Forename(s)   Surname   Forename(s)   Church / Register Office   Registers At   Reference
CRANKSHAW   Herbert Harry   WRIGHT   Cecily Adelaide   Blackpool, Christ Church with All Saints   Blackpool   B/3/194
this CHURCH is not to far from Worsley ave Bl/pool on Palatine Rd
tonyrod
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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2012, 02:22:46 PM »
Hi again , thankyou for your replies .
Dad has found another photograph of my grandad with " 3 upside down chevrons " on his right sleeve . What does that signify ?
Regards , Lynn

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2012, 02:54:06 PM »
Overseas service chevrons.

One for each year he served abroad.

1914 = red
1915 -1918 = blue.

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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2012, 09:02:29 AM »
Lynn can he see anything on the other sleeve ?
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Re: 5088 Pte Herbert Crankshaw
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2012, 10:48:44 AM »
Wendi , I will have to get back to you on that , Im seeing mum and dad on thursday so I will have the pictures then .